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    <p>I was involved in Btu calculations in a previous life. Most HVAC
      folks over kill it, instead of really doing the detailed room by
      room calcs.  <br>
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    <p>My guess is that your systems are working because:</p>
    <p>A)There is really good insulation and air seal.</p>
    <p>B) there is enough thermal mass to carry the house through the
      high heat of the late afternoons.<br>
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Remote Solar
303 505-8760</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/12/20 5:09 PM, Dave Angelini
      Offgrid Solar wrote:<br>
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      <p>Hi Ray,</p>
      <p>They run at night set at 77f. We use a 1 ton, 12,000 btu and a
        2nd spare for day use. The spare is rarely needed. These are
        near 30 SEER, the most expensive model in each make. LG, Mitsu,
        Fujitsu.  Just after dawn when the array is lit, we drop the
        program temp to 74 or so.</p>
      <p>Most HVAC will tell you this won't work. I have been doing this
        since 2007 when they started coming out in the US. They sip
        power at night like a small child :) The HVAC people have the
        mentality that you need to cool a hot house down in 30 minutes
        and that is how they size. Offgrid, we never let it get that
        hot, as we live there and can leave it on. There is no power
        bill except the big one at the beginning!</p>
      <p>There are a few other strategies I use also.  Right now it is
        full smoke here from the wildfires, the whole 1800 sqft house is
        using 400 watts and it is 74 in and 86 outside. We often have
        100 degree weather and it does use more. In smoke like this, the
        split pressurizes the home and aids in keeping smoke outside
        also. That is a very nice thing. Some of the folks in the area
        just got PG &amp;E back after the PSPS. Not fun for them! Take a
        peek at my picture link on the webpage below.</p>
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        <pre><strong><span style="font-size: small;">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
<a href="http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/</a>
e-mail  <a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" moz-do-not-send="true">offgridsolar@sti.net</a>
text 209 813 0060</span></strong></pre>
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      <p>On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:51:39 -0600, Ray
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        <p>What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small
          battery banks for that.  I suppose they just run in the day
          mostly when the sun is shinning?</p>
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Remote Solar
303 505-8760</pre>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave Angelini
          Offgrid Solar wrote:</div>
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          <p>I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps
            offgrid. The smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest
            running L16 2v cells @ 48v nominal.  Not trying to be a
            contrarian but with a 2,000 square foot house with great
            insulation and SEER numbers around 30, it is not that hard.
            Need alot of solar, and virtual tracking for the afternoon
            thunderstorms in the south also.</p>
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"we go where powerlines don't"
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e-mail  <a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" moz-do-not-send="true">offgridsolar@sti.net</a>
text 209 813 0060</span></strong></pre>
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          <p>On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski <a
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              href="mailto:jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com&gt;</a>
            wrote:</p>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">54kWh doesn't go far for
                  air conditioning in September in Southwest Florida.
                  Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at
                  $0.10/kWh this time of year, sometimes substantially
                  more.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Generator backup, even
                  with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for mission-critical
                  grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge
                  Powerwalls with a generator. You just bypass battery
                  storage and run loads straight off the generator,
                  which means the generator needs to be sized for the
                  whole home. It would be nice to have a generator input
                  for supplemental charging at least with a small
                  portable unit.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">There is no perfect
                  solution for this application. At least no
                  cost-effective solution.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 11, 2020
                  at 6:06 PM August Goers &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:august@luminalt.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">august@luminalt.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Hi Bill -
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                    <div>I completely agree with your statement about
                      all off-grid applications. Most if not all need
                      generators. And, I do think there are some grid
                      tied applications where generators make sense too,
                      especially for folks who live way out in the woods
                      as you mention. I was speaking about the mass
                      market in CA in cities or towns where the grid is
                      typically fairly reliable. If you install four
                      Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of
                      storage available. There are applications where
                      generators make sense, and all these fires and
                      smoke and heat waves prove the point. I think AC
                      is critical for some parts of the country, and
                      energy storage + PV alone just won't cut it for
                      those critical applications.</div>
                    <div> </div>
                    <div>But, yes, good point.</div>
                    <div> </div>
                    <div>August
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                    <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 11,
                      2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:frenergy@psln.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">frenergy@psln.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:</div>
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                        <p>August,</p>
                        <p>            Quite frankly and with due
                          respect about the comment about more PV and
                          battery to forego the need for a generator, I
                          disagree. Those folks living off-grid in the
                          sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a
                          very bad thing not to have Gen input.  The
                          current situation here in Plumas county  (and
                          many other counties right now) is another
                          perfect example.  It is so smokey that my
                          daily KWhrs has been cut in half and of course
                          every other off-grid home is having the same
                          issue. This has been going on for almost a
                          month with only occasional breaks.  There are
                          also CC failures, FET board craps out, other
                          excrement occurs.</p>
                        <p>            We all know there are many
                          critical needs for power especially to run a
                          pump for fire protection, frig for food,
                          communication to know what the hell may coming
                          your way during some event (fire, flood, bad
                          weather) medical needs, etc.  In the winter
                          there are at least a few times when there is
                          little or no sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that
                          gets to be a spendy array and battery. 
                          Certainly, the idea of going that route works
                          for some scenarios but not off-grid. 
                          Generators are still a much needed necessary
                          evil.  Maybe its a big deal to incorporate
                          that feature in an inverter??  Sounds like
                          bean counting.</p>
                        <p>My $.02 worth</p>
                        <p>Bill</p>
                        <pre>Feather River Solar Electric            
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
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                        <div>On 9/11/2020 1:01 PM, August Goers wrote:</div>
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                          <div dir="ltr">In CA the market for ESS is
                            primarily grid tied support features driven
                            by SGIP + backup (public safety power
                            shutoffs, folks who live in less stable grid
                            areas, folks worried about natural
                            disasters) so the ESS is designed to replace
                            generators. This might be a little trickier
                            for areas that need air conditioning during
                            a grid outage (or for all electric homes),
                            but one tactic is just to go bigger with the
                            ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm saying
                            is that the value proposition might already
                            be getting better just to skip the generator
                            and go bigger with the storage. Even Generac
                            might be going that route.
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                            <div>August</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri,
                              Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski
                              &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com</a>&gt;
                              wrote:</div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:
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                                    seeing tons of companies in Florida
                                    offering Generac/Pika now. They
                                    didn't do it when it was Pika, so
                                    why would they now that it has an
                                    orange label? Crazy. </div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:
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                                    generator input makes zero sense and
                                    even less sense for a generator
                                    manufacturer.</div>
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                                    Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris
                                    Schaefer &lt;<a
                                      href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Jeremy,
                                      <div>Pika was bought out by
                                        Generac and rebranded as their
                                        PWR cell. Most of the old crew
                                        from Pika are now working for
                                        Generac. It's beyond me that
                                        Generac bought them and yet they
                                        still don't have a generator
                                        input. That's why I could never
                                        sign on to the Pika product
                                        line. Good luck.</div>
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                                      <div>Christopher</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On
                                        Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM
                                        Jeremy Rodriguez &lt;<a
                                          href="mailto:allsolarjeremy@msn.com"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">allsolarjeremy@msn.com</a>&gt;
                                        wrote:</div>
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                                        <div dir="auto">If anyone has
                                          any info on how to get a hold
                                          of The former PIKA ENERGY
                                          support group, please contact
                                          me off list. 
                                          <div>Or if anyone knows where
                                            one could get one of their
                                            inverters rebuilt/repaired
                                            let me know.<br>
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                                              <div dir="ltr">Jeremy
                                                Rodriguez 
                                                <div>Solar Installation
                                                  / <span
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                                                    Expert </span></div>
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                                                  <div>All Solar, Inc.
                                                    <div>1463 M St<br>
                                                      <div>Penrose
                                                        Colorado 81240</div>
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                                                      <div>Sent by
                                                        Jeremy's iPhone.
                                                        Sorry for typos
                                                        and shorthand. </div>
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