<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in Southwest Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at $0.10/kWh this time of year, sometimes substantially more.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Generator backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for mission-critical grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge Powerwalls with a generator. You just bypass battery storage and run loads straight off the generator, which means the generator needs to be sized for the whole home. It would be nice to have a generator input for supplemental charging at least with a small portable unit.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">There is no perfect solution for this application. At least no cost-effective solution.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM August Goers <<a href="mailto:august@luminalt.com">august@luminalt.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Bill -<div><br></div><div>I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do think there are some grid tied applications where generators make sense too, especially for folks who live way out in the woods as you mention. I was speaking about the mass market in CA in cities or towns where the grid is typically fairly reliable. If you install four Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of storage available. There are applications where generators make sense, and all these fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I think AC is critical for some parts of the country, and energy storage + PV alone just won't cut it for those critical applications.</div><div><br></div><div>But, yes, good point.</div><div><br></div><div>August<div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>August,</p>
<p> Quite frankly and with due respect about the comment
about more PV and battery to forego the need for a generator, I
disagree. Those folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself
included), it would be a very bad thing not to have Gen input.
The current situation here in Plumas county (and many other
counties right now) is another perfect example. It is so smokey
that my daily KWhrs has been cut in half and of course every other
off-grid home is having the same issue. This has been going on for
almost a month with only occasional breaks. There are also CC
failures, FET board craps out, other excrement occurs.<br>
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<p> We all know there are many critical needs for power
especially to run a pump for fire protection, frig for food,
communication to know what the hell may coming your way during
some event (fire, flood, bad weather) medical needs, etc. In the
winter there are at least a few times when there is little or no
sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be a spendy array and
battery. Certainly, the idea of going that route works for some
scenarios but not off-grid. Generators are still a much needed
necessary evil. Maybe its a big deal to incorporate that feature
in an inverter?? Sounds like bean counting.<br>
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<p>My $.02 worth</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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<div dir="ltr">In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied
support features driven by SGIP + backup (public safety power
shutoffs, folks who live in less stable grid areas, folks
worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is designed to
replace generators. This might be a little trickier for areas
that need air conditioning during a grid outage (or for all
electric homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger with the
ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm saying is that the value
proposition might already be getting better just to skip the
generator and go bigger with the storage. Even Generac might be
going that route.
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seeing tons of companies in Florida offering
Generac/Pika now. They didn't do it when it was Pika, so
why would they now that it has an orange label? Crazy. </div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">No
generator input makes zero sense and even less sense for
a generator manufacturer.</div>
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<div>Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as
their PWR cell. Most of the old crew from Pika are
now working for Generac. It's beyond me that Generac
bought them and yet they still don't have a
generator input. That's why I could never sign on to
the Pika product line. Good luck.</div>
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If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of The
former PIKA ENERGY support group, please contact
me off list.
<div>Or if anyone knows where one could get one of
their inverters rebuilt/repaired let me know.<br>
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<div>Solar Installation / <span style="font-size:13pt">Design Expert </span></div>
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