<div dir="auto">Related question, Jeff... With the Sol-Ark, I an off-grid situation can you set it up to always use inveters to power loads. In other words, when the generator kicks in, only use the generator to charge batteries and do not bypass inveters to power loads directly from the generator. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is a request I get occasionally. People don't want to rely on the "dirty" generator power with sensitive electronics.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 1:19 PM Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagelab.net">jeffc@villagelab.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">I'm loving my first
install of Sol Arks - One downside of Sol-Ark (and I can't find many!)
is that the GEN terminal can only handle 1 of the following 3:
Generator, AC Coupling, or Smart Load. So if you want both a generator
and AC coupling you have to either do a separate transfer switch for the
GEN and not run it through the inverters - or you have to go with their
internal DC MPPTif you do want the GEN to charge the batteries (unless
you are off-grid totally and have no Grid in which case you might be
able to run the Generator into Grid? not sure about that - don't quote
me!).<br>
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Anyone else with any downsides?<br>
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Best,<br>
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Jeff<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">There is a huge
distinction in a hybrid inverter that integrates MPPT charge control.
Eliminating all of the extraneous hardware and circuit protection
associated with charge controllers is very appealing. The 500V input
limit is also a game-changer in terms of wire size. I'm very interested
in this approach.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">On
the flip size, an AC Coupled approach is also appealing in a lot of
circumstances. Since Sol-Ark supports that, too, it's hard to find
downsides other than their infancy in the industry.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And
for what it's worth, my experience with SMA tech support recently has
been abysmal. Long hold times and getting bounced around departments.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Jason
Szumlanski</div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody></tbody></table><b><div style="text-align:center"><br></div></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 9,
2020 at 9:50 PM Mark Frye <<a href="mailto:markf@berkeleysolar.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">markf@berkeleysolar.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>The most important thing here is that no one is standing up to
sing the praises of either SMA or Outback.</p>
<p>I myself have sent about 2 hours on hold over 2 days trying to
get an issue addressed by SMA.</p>
<p>Re: Sol-Arc I would pay a lot extra or take some not so good
aspect in exchange for good technical support.</p>
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on
combining AC output from these units when stacking several
of them? What bus/OCPD system are you using? Same question
for generator/grid input. </div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The solar
MPPT inputs appear to be dead simple.</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">we've
found SolArk to be SOLID!! .. And yes 8 inv yield about
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sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> RE-wrenches
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Microgrid... Outback
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
also suggest the Sol-Ark 12\u2019s. Extremely
efficient, simple to program, does a wonderful job
in either ac coupling, stand alone or pure off
grid and terrific customer support.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Peter
Giroux</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ASAE</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryan Norkunas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:50
PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Microgrid...
Outback or SMA or other?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Sol-Arks
would be possible, you can link 8 inverters.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p><b><span>Bryan
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<p><b><span>PV-Cables</span></b><span></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Schaefer<br>
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<p>I'd suggest giving the crew at Sol-Ark a quick
call @ 972-575-8875 with their 12kw unit. Not sure
what their max number of inverters are.</p>
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<p>On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 1:14 PM Kienan Maxfield
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Hey
all, I'm designing a microgrid sized
off-grid system for somebody, and I'm just
wondering if anyone knows of any issues
with the following designs... </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">The
client says he needs 70 kW. His load data
looks pretty solid, so I'm sticking to
using that number as a minimum, at least
during the initial proposal stage. I only
know of two possible equipment options for
this size range...</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
think I can use up to 10 Outback
Radians, for up to an 80 kW system. Are
there any bugs or problems with using
this many inverters on one hub? I know
I've read about issues with selling to
the grid, but that's not an issue, this
is off-grid.</span></li>
<li style="color:black"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
know that the SMA cluster box with sunny
islands can allow for up to a 72 kW
system. Do you know of any bugs or
problems with this system?</span></li>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Are
there any other options that anyone would
suggest? Schneider's website says they can
only do up to 61 kW, and Victron can only
do up to 60 kW.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I
know that the Outback system would yield a
240/120 Split-Phase system and that the
SMA would yield a 208/120 3Ø system, but
this doesn't really matter either way for
this job. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks so
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