<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Back to the original question. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. FXR/A has generator support, turn it on if its not on. And the FXR/A has a generator setting for AC input that and I don\u2019t really understand how smooths out this issue, but it can. </div><div class="">I had a issue somewhat like this, 8Kw radian and 12kw genset. Radian or generator worked the stove ( gas stove, just the electronic controls and some LED lights). But when the inverter was charging, the stove wouldn\u2019t work. Setting it to GENERATOR for ACINPUT solved the issue. Further programming would be to check that the low AC volts isn\u2019t too low. I set it around 108 as the low usually, and that might be too low for this unit, so try setting that up higher. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. possible programing issues might be solved or at least tested by turning down the AC generator input, or charger amps. Its my first test to confirm if the generator is being overloaded. Also try with reduced loads. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. has the generate been serviced lately? oil change, air filter, etc. Often the reason for things not working well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">4. installing capacitors would be my last option. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As someone who\u2019s run a full sized house for 14 years with a FX 3524, and a honda EU2000 as my only generator, I can say categorically that it works just fine. Washer, refrigerator, freezer, all the standard appliances. </div><div class="">Would a larger generator speed up the charging, yes, does this work yes. Would a larger inverter help, for me only with battery charging, not with loads, I\u2019ve got no issues with running my house. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don\u2019t know why this person has a 2812. I know of lots of people who have an existing system that works well for them, and really only upgrade to pure sine because of the new appliances. And with more high efficiency appliances: battery powered vacuum cleaners and tools: front load soft start washers, water pumps, variable compressor refrigerators, etc more and more can be done with less and less inverter power. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yea sure, if you want more power, then totally agree with going 24/48v is the way to go. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let us know what the fix turns out to be.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jay </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">peltz power</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 17, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Ray <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" class="">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">I'll third the recommendation of a larger generator. I quit
trying the tiny genset setup 15 years ago. My rule of thumb is
the genset needs to be 50% larger than the inverter rating (6kw
for a 4 kw inverter) plus the altitude derating. Here in
Colorado, you pretty much need a 8 kw genset with a 4 kw
inverter. Besides altitude, most gensets do not run right or put
out clean power at full load. <br class="">
</p><p class="">I've recently found that fuel efficiency is not as bad as you
might think for the bigger gen sets running at 50% rating. The
tiny bit of extra cost and fuel consumption is a small price to
pay for reliable back up power. <br class="">
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gen support or load shave.</p><p class="">Time for a new inverter or a generator that is twice the load
wattage. This was common back in the day and as Steve said, some
cases just can't be fixed. Another reason many have abandoned
12v inverter/chargers except for RV use.</p>
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When the inverter charger charges the battery bank and runs
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Not much you can do about it other than putting in a larger
generator to handle the inverter/charging load along with the
loads of the system, and even in some of those cases depending
on the generator dosn't even fix that. <br class="">
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I have seen some successful with filter caps on the output /
Input of the inverter, but that is pretty hit an miss..
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I've seen that same issue too. I assumed that
the battery charging, house base loads, and the microwave
were too much power for the small generator. The voltage
drops big time which I assume is what was causing the
issue with the microwave and most likely with the dryer
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I have the same problem at my place, and
a couple client's systems, with Magnum
inverter/chargers and small ~2-3kw generators (not
just Honda). But the problem appliance is microwave
ovens, doesn't matter which microwave brand. They run
fine straight from the generator, and fine from the
inverter with no generator running, but make a
strange, loud hum, dim internal light, and food
doesn't heat if the generator is also charging the
battery bank. I'll try to figure out how to capture a
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I haven't looked at what the FXR does to the
waveform of a 3000-watt Honda, but I have used an
oscilloscope to look at the waveform of a small
generator while an FX inverter is charging
batteries -- it pretty much makes an ugly mess of
the voltage waveform. Not surprised to hear that
some loads don't like to operate when the FXR is
charging batteries from a small generator. The FX
charger has a poor power factor and little
filtering of the current waveform, it is a tough
load on a small generator. The generator responds
with lots of harmonic voltages and high frequency
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<div class="">My curiosity was piqued by a recent
customer complaint. I'm hoping someone has
bumped up against this issue before.</div>
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<div class="">The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a
3,000W Honda gen. </div>
<div class="">Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off
the OB inverter.</div>
<div class="">It runs properly on the Honda gen (when
the inverter is bypassed)</div>
<div class="">It will not run when the gen is on and
battery charging is taking place.</div>
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<div class="">All the other AC loads (including the
washing machine) run properly during battery
charging with the gen.</div>
<div class="">The OB inverter replaced an old Trace
unit. The dryer worked as it should with
the Trace during battery charging.</div>
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