<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Enphase's early failure rate was ridiculous, but we are finding that once the faulty M190's were swapped after the first few years, the ones that didn't fail have been relatively solid. In other words, let's say (unscientifically) 30% of the M190's on a job installed 10 years ago failed in the first 3 years. After that, we had a VERY low failure rate on that system. I can't remember the last time I replaced an M190, and we have a lot of them floating around out there. In each successive generation (M215, M250, IQ6, IQ7) we have seen progressively lower failure rates in the first 1, 2, and 3 years, which points to a dramatic increase in initial reliability. If history is a guide, the IQ series looks like 10 years from now we will be calling it a huge success. Of course, only time will tell. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Micro replacements are a nuisance, for sure, but we haven't 'lost' much money on replacements. I have lost lots of money struggling through string inverter replacements due to unknown complications (physical, electrical, monitoring, etc). A micro swap is a known entity and minimal complexity. I can send a minimally trained (lower cost) individual to handle it and deal with the administrative (monitoring) part in the office. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The bottom line is that I am doing far FEWER micro replacements today than I did 6-7 years ago when I was maintaining less than 1/3 of the units I have now under supervision. My impression is that if micro is going to fail, it's going to fail early on. Let's hope I'm right.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">One last point... despite a couple of bumps in the road with service hold times and warranty replacement waits, Enphase's customer service has been second to none over the course of the last decade. Their front-line staff are well trained and knowledgeable, and access to second-tier support has been phenomenal. SE gives you the same runaround as Fronius (don't get me started on IGs) and other string inverter manufacturers when an HD Wave goes down (have to be on site, provide a bunch of mostly irrelevant voltage readings, check fuses, looks for signs of burned components, and so on to get warranty satisfaction).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Jason</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:21 PM Kirk Herander <<a href="mailto:vtsolar@icloud.com">vtsolar@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div id="gmail-m_208544535326673859__MailbirdStyleContent" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I gave up on Enphase a long time ago for the same reasons many of you are dumping on SE now. High replacement rate etc. Any of you in this biz longer than ten years knows how horrible the first several generations of Enphase was. So should I trust Enphase over SE now? Will you trust SE years from now if this board finds them acceptable again(over Enphase)? Just sayin'<br><div></div><blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-top:20px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px">
<p style="color:rgb(170,170,170);margin-top:10px">On 7/23/2020 6:30:29 PM, Jason Szumlanski <<a href="mailto:jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com" target="_blank">jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com</a>> wrote:</p><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Not to sounds like a Fanboy, but Enphase in a small commercial setting is a real option. Owners love the monitoring aspect, the serviceability, the warranty, etc. There is a good safety argument to be made. Replacing micros on a flat roof is usually a cakewalk if necessary. Dealing with roof-mounted equipment shading issues makes micros a good option if optimizers are off the table.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'm adding an 80kW Enphase IQ array to an existing M-series 70kW system very soon. Here's Phase 1: <a href="https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/e751a37842810815eebed2dcb8996de5e874c36b?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEvXyGiUlALw&userId=1613865&signature=2848ab88f4cdf79b" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvXyGiUlALw</a></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">This one is 208Y/120. For 480V you're looking at a transformer, which changes the calculus. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Jason Szumlanski</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Florida Solar Design Group</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:06 PM AE Solar <<a href="mailto:autonomousenergies@gmail.com" target="_blank">autonomousenergies@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">interested to know if folks are having issues with specific models or it's all across the board? if it's all across the board, i (like jay) would be interested to know what people are moving on towards. especially for smaller commercial 3phase projects. <br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>adam</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:57 AM MiJo Nels <<a href="mailto:spaceshipnelson1@gmail.com" target="_blank">spaceshipnelson1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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We also, have found this to be the case. Now I feel like I'm in a bad marriage with them. We consistantly wait longer than we are told for replacement product, constantly hearing the same repetitious verbiage from them "just wait a little longer, we'll be able
to control your coffee maker with your inverter soon".. or the old "Q1 Q2 Q3" promises for equipment or to get thru beta testing.. .. I too. . . am "Done". . .
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Edge...continuous saga of 181/183 hardware failures...moving on to another inverter.</span>
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<p>Now replacing the THIRD inverter for one customer alone that has the infamous 181/183 hardware failure error code again. First one replaced in Sept 2019. Second failure and RMA July 6<sup>th</sup> 2020, and now this third failure on
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<p>We have had 24 total RMAs at quick count and it is eating into our credibility.</p>
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<p>Solar Edge provided a briefing to me about two months ago acknowledging that their manufacturing quality control issues bordered on a recall, but opted to stay silent and let the installers keep suffering for their materiel and design
issues. I was advised that the batch of deficient inverters and their manufacture time frame meant I just needed to get through this summer\u2026perhaps but not another summer ever like this.</p>
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<p>No more. Au revoir, Solar Edge.</p>
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