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<p>I've had them shut inverters down for both the brands you
mentioned. The comm failures that took out controllers were the
Midnite "Follow Me" setup. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">In my experience I\u2019ve had plenty of hub and
component/comm failures but I\u2019ve never had it shut down the fndc
or charge controllers with OB or Schneider equipment. </div>
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<p>I don't connect to the HUB or Mate if I don't have to; both
to avoid issues with the customers changing programming, but
also to save the customer money. However, the #1 reason is
that when all the equipment is interconnected, it is all
dependent. A failure in a comm cable or single piece of
equipment can cause all the controllers to shut down. I
just don't think the benefits of com connection out weigh
the loss of redundancy. I have many systems with multiple
charge controllers, and I have seen everything from a bad
temp sensor to a single failed controller take the other
controllers off line too. Without the interconnection, a
failed controller will just drop the system to half power,
not to zero production. <br>
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<p>This isn't just with Outback, I follow this reasoning with
Midnite and Magnum as well. I often mix equipment (Magnum
inverter, Outback Controller) so comm connection isn't a
possibility anyway. We might be missing some bells and
whistles, but our systems stay operational in more
situations. Basically I'm not happy enough with any single
manufacturer to give them a monopoly with my designs. I've
always built our systems with the best equipment we can get
for that particular situation.<br>
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<div>I'm curious, do you avoid have the FM100 on the Hub
to avoid clients changing the programming or have you
seen some other issues? I have some of them out there
and they seem to be solid, all Hub 10.3 connected.</div>
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<p>I have little experience with arc fault detection
because I do not use them offgrid. Could it save one
from starting a wildfire? My experience is I have
never had a ground mount start a wildfire and even a
bad panel is pretty contained in a failure.</p>
<p>I just know that I make a small fortune replacing
grid tie inverter AFD's that failsafe in the no solar
mode. Definitely do not want another way to lose power
offgrid. There are plenty already:)</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi William,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">that warning isn't on the AFCI one,</div>
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15, 2020, at 10:41 AM, William Miller <<a
href="mailto:william@millersolar.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jay:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On the <a
href="http://outbackpower.com/products/charge-controllers/flexmax-100"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FM100
landing page</a>. The warning is pasted
below.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><em><span>Due
to the different voltage ratings, OutBack
Power does not recommend mixing the
FM100-300VDC with the FM60 or FM80-150VDC
controllers on the same battery bank.</span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Interestingly the
warning is not seen on the <a
href="http://outbackpower.com/products/charge-controllers/flexmax-100-afci"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FM100
AFCI landing page</a>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I thought I saw this
also in one of the Owner's manuals but I
looked today and can't find it there.
Interesting...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have a client that
wants to add a fourth PV array to a system
with three FM80s. This will require a
fourth charge controller. Being able to run
smaller wire in the existing conduits is an
attractive proposition, making the FM100 a
desirable approach. I now have to figure
out if I can add the FM100-AFCI (which is
apparently the only version available) to a
system with three FM80s, and if I do, what
do I do with the existing GFDI breaker and
how do I arrange the DC bond? There is a
lot to consider here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>BTW, I was told by a
tech support person for an on-line sales
firm that the original FM100 did not have
the AFCI but those units have been
discontinued. Now all FM100s have the AFCI
capability. I am weighing if I want AFCI if
it is not required. My territory includes
central California wild lands so I suppose I
should take advantage of any fire safety
means at my disposal...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>William</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt"> Jay [mailto:<a
href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>]
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<strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, May 15,
2020 7:34 AM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> <a
href="mailto:william@millersolar.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">william@millersolar.com</a>;
RE-wrenches<br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re:
[RE-wrenches] Outback FM100</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi William</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes downsizing breaker to
meet load is no problem. And getting wire
that big into it with 1" KO is a pain. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm pretty sure any hub
will work, needs 3S mate</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Where in the manual did
you find the "don't mix with other 60/80
controllers? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jay</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peltz power </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">On May 15, 2020,
at 12:46 AM, William Miller <<a
href="mailto:william@millersolar.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">william@millersolar.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Friends:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt">I have occasion
to try the FM100 charge controller. I
am wondering of anyone had found any
quirks with implementing this device. I
have a few specific questions:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p><span>1.<span> </span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt">I want to avoid
AFCI unless mandated. Will this be
defeated if I don't run the leads
through the sense coil? (There is an
AFCI and non-AFCI version but I can't
seem to find the non-AFCI version
anywhere.)</span></p>
<p><span>2.<span> </span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt">I noticed the
manual indicates you are not supposed to
mix the FM100 with the FM80 or 60 in the
same battery system. This negates it
for one project I had in mind. I am
curious as to why this is. Anyone know?</span></p>
<p><span>3.<span> </span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt">Will the FM100
work with a standard hub?</span></p>
<p><span>4.<span> </span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt">I suppose this
unit requires a 125 amp breaker. If the
PV array cannot support that full 100
amps I might down-size the OCPD
accordingly. Anyone contemplate this
question?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Thanks in
advance.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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