<div dir="ltr">Hi Ray,<div><br></div><div>I'm curious, do you avoid have the FM100 on the Hub to avoid clients changing the programming or have you seen some other issues? I have some of them out there and they seem to be solid, all Hub 10.3 connected.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:48 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <<a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net">offgridsolar@sti.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p>I have little experience with arc fault detection because I do not use them offgrid. Could it save one from starting a wildfire? My experience is I have never had a ground mount start a wildfire and even a bad panel is pretty contained in a failure.</p>
<p>I just know that I make a small fortune replacing grid tie inverter AFD's that failsafe in the no solar mode. Definitely do not want another way to lose power offgrid. There are plenty already:)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On the <a href="http://outbackpower.com/products/charge-controllers/flexmax-100" target="_blank">FM100 landing page</a>. The warning is pasted below.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Interestingly the warning is not seen on the <a href="http://outbackpower.com/products/charge-controllers/flexmax-100-afci" target="_blank">FM100 AFCI landing page</a>.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I thought I saw this also in one of the Owner's manuals but I looked today and can't find it there. Interesting...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have a client that wants to add a fourth PV array to a system with three FM80s. This will require a fourth charge controller. Being able to run smaller wire in the existing conduits is an attractive proposition, making the FM100 a desirable approach. I now have to figure out if I can add the FM100-AFCI (which is apparently the only version available) to a system with three FM80s, and if I do, what do I do with the existing GFDI breaker and how do I arrange the DC bond? There is a lot to consider here.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>BTW, I was told by a tech support person for an on-line sales firm that the original FM100 did not have the AFCI but those units have been discontinued. Now all FM100s have the AFCI capability. I am weighing if I want AFCI if it is not required. My territory includes central California wild lands so I suppose I should take advantage of any fire safety means at my disposal...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have occasion to try the FM100 charge controller. I am wondering of anyone had found any quirks with implementing this device. I have a few specific questions:</span></p>
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<p><span>1.<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:12pt">I want to avoid AFCI unless mandated. Will this be defeated if I don't run the leads through the sense coil? (There is an AFCI and non-AFCI version but I can't seem to find the non-AFCI version anywhere.)</span></p>
<p><span>2.<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:12pt">I noticed the manual indicates you are not supposed to mix the FM100 with the FM80 or 60 in the same battery system. This negates it for one project I had in mind. I am curious as to why this is. Anyone know?</span></p>
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<p><span>4.<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:12pt">I suppose this unit requires a 125 amp breaker. If the PV array cannot support that full 100 amps I might down-size the OCPD accordingly. Anyone contemplate this question?</span></p>
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