<p>The 2 Skybox inverters I installed both were based on soft start water pumps (grundfos) and a soft start air compressor for the garage. It cost more to replace the electric dryer and water heater than the solar. The owners then had a home that could run off Skybox or a small genset. These were both for Cal Fire guy's. They knew what they did not want from experience. I just helped them get there.</p>
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<div>But the software is still in flux. I have had to reject software updates that froze the system, going back to the previous version to bring it back again.</div>
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<div>One issue is that AC coupling does not work with multiple Skyboxen, unlike with older Radians.</div>
<div>Another huge problem that seems to be software related is that dual SkyBoxen with different sized solar arrays discharge their battery banks at different rates. This becomes an issue in multiple day grid outages like we now expect in north CA fire season. You'd think the SkyBox master-slave relationship would allow them to coordinate, but this causes the one with a smaller solar array to run down it's battery sooner, faulting the system causing a complete shutdown of both SkyBoxen. </div>
<div>OutBack says they are not fixing this, so I'm looking at SolArk for systems larger than 5 kW.</div>
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<div id="gmail-m_2996584603921335869wmQuoteWrapper">-------- Original Message --------<br /> Subject: RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 13, Issue 124<br /> From: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br /> Date: Mon, May 04, 2020 2:40 pm<br /> To: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br /> <br /> Send RE-wrenches mailing list submissions to<br /> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br /> <br /> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br /> <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br /> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br /> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br /> <br /> You can reach the person managing the list at<br /> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-owner@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-owner@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br /> <br /> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br /> than "Re: Contents of RE-wrenches digest..."<br /> <br /> <br /> When responding to posts within the Digest, be sure to restore the Subject: line to the original, and please edit out any extraneous lines from the quoted message.<br /> <br /> <br /> Today's Topics:<br /> <br /> 1. Skybox (Dave Tedeyan)<br /> 2. Re: Skybox (Jerry Shafer)<br /> 3. Re: Skybox (jay)<br /> 4. Re: Skybox (<a href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a>)<br /> <br /> <br /> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> <br /> Message: 1<br /> Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 21:32:38 -0400<br /> From: Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>><br /> To: RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br /> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Skybox<br /> Message-ID:<br /> <<a href="mailto:CA+cq0bUtZbbG84gAvcJOyq6aHpgZ6CTwy_i_eCzEPubRFe7g7Q@mail.gmail.com">CA+cq0bUtZbbG84gAvcJOyq6aHpgZ6CTwy_i_eCzEPubRFe7g7Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br /> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /> <br /> Hi All,<br /> <br /> Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have someone<br /> interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with them and if<br /> they are reliable.<br /> <br /> Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter,<br /> which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for<br /> purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br /> <br /> Cheers,<br /> Dave<br /> <br /> *Dave Tedeyan, PE*<br /> Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br /> <br /> 110 South Albany Street | Ithaca, NY 14850<br /> o. *607.277.1118 x121* f. 607.277.2119<br /> <a href="http://www.taitem.com">www.taitem.com</a><br /> <br /> Solar ? Sustainability ? Energy ? Design<br /> Certified B-Corporation since 2013<br /> -------------- next part --------------<br /> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br /> URL: <<a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org/attachments/20200503/bd47522b/attachment-0001.html&gt">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org/attachments/20200503/bd47522b/attachment-0001.html&gt</a>;<br /> <br /> ------------------------------<br /> <br /> Message: 2<br /> Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 18:46:09 -0700<br /> From: Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>><br /> To: RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br /> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Skybox<br /> Message-ID:<br /> <<a href="mailto:CAMUFgmWAChaODR+pUaXLRUde8igSxd7mKpC+L-HnoPQwBwxDNw@mail.gmail.com">CAMUFgmWAChaODR+pUaXLRUde8igSxd7mKpC+L-HnoPQwBwxDNw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br /> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /> <br /> Dave<br /> I have used the radian and started using the skybox, it works well and is<br /> as simple as it gets to install. My personal experience with fronius is not<br /> good with there grid tie units. Outback has been around in the off grid<br /> environment and is my go to, but hey that's just me<br /> Jerry<br /> <br /> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 6:32 PM Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>> wrote:<br /> <br /> > Hi All,<br /> ><br /> > Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have<br /> > someone interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with them<br /> > and if they are reliable.<br /> ><br /> > Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter,<br /> > which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for<br /> > purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br /> ><br /> > Cheers,<br /> > Dave<br /> ><br /> > *Dave Tedeyan, PE*<br /> > Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br /> ><br /> > 110 South Albany Street | Ithaca, NY 14850<br /> > o. *607.277.1118 x121* f. 607.277.2119<br /> > <a href="http://www.taitem.com">www.taitem.com</a><br /> ><br /> > Solar ? Sustainability ? Energy ? 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I have someone interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with them and if they are reliable.<br /> > <br /> > Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter, which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br /> > <br /> > Cheers, <br /> > Dave<br /> > <br /> > Dave Tedeyan, PE<br /> > Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br /> > <br /> > 110 South Albany Street | Ithaca, NY 14850<br /> > o. 607.277.1118 x121 f. 607.277.2119<br /> > <a href="http://www.taitem.com">www.taitem.com</a> <http://<a href="http://www.taitem.com">www.taitem.com</a>/><br /> > <br /> > Solar ? Sustainability ? Energy ? 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The 8kW has no battery<br /> disconnect, but the 12 kW has one, if you're using non-lithium based<br /> batteries.<br /> <br /> Daryl<br /> Penobscot Solar Design<br /> <br /> <br /> > HI Dave,<br /> ><br /> > The reason I???ve not used it, is that is has no surge.<br /> ><br /> > You might also look at the Sol Ark<br /> ><br /> > Jay<br /> > Peltz Power<br /> ><br /> >> On May 3, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>> wrote:<br /> >><br /> >> Hi All,<br /> >><br /> >> Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have<br /> >> someone interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with<br /> >> them and if they are reliable.<br /> >><br /> >> Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter,<br /> >> which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for<br /> >> purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br /> >><br /> >> Cheers,<br /> >> Dave<br /> >><br /> >> Dave Tedeyan, PE<br /> >> Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br /> >><br /> >> 110 South Albany Street | Ithaca, NY 14850<br /> >> o. 607.277.1118 x121 f. 607.277.2119<br /> >> <a href="http://www.taitem.com">www.taitem.com</a> <http://<a href="http://www.taitem.com">www.taitem.com</a>/><br /> >><br /> >> Solar ??? Sustainability ??? Energy ??? 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