<div dir="auto">The skybox under grid tie operation is all pass through, the inverter can be both AC and DC coupled but in back up mode it is limited <div dir="auto">Jerry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 6, 2020, 6:31 PM Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Is the 5kw limit and no surge capacity for the backed up AC loads only when operating off grid? If you occasionally trip a breaker during the relatively rare times when the grid is out (around here at least) it is not such a big deal. But if you had to deal with that daily, you would have to be way more conservative as to what loads are allowed to be backed up.<div><br></div><div>Also, is there an inverter bypass built into the BOS enclosure, or do you need to wire up a separate one in case of inverter failure.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div>Dave<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Dave Tedeyan, PE</font></b></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><img src="https://www.taitem.com/signatures/logo.png"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">110 South Albany Street</font><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> | Ithaca, NY 14850</span></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">o. <u>607.277.1118 x121</u> f. 607.277.2119</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.taitem.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.taitem.com</a></font></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Solar </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">\u2022</span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.5pt;line-height:17.8333px"> </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Sustainability </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">\u2022 </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Energy </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">\u2022 </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Design</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">Certified B-Corporation since 2013</span><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br></span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:24 PM <<a href="mailto:don@energysolarnow.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">don@energysolarnow.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:10pt"><div>I'm finding the SkyBox to be reliable hardware, if you don't need big surge capability. </div><div>But the software is still in flux. I have had to reject software updates that froze the system, going back to the previous version to bring it back again. </div><div><br></div><div>One issue is that AC coupling does not work with multiple Skyboxen, unlike with older Radians. </div><div>Another huge problem that seems to be software related is that dual SkyBoxen with different sized solar arrays discharge their battery banks at different rates. This becomes an issue in multiple day grid outages like we now expect in north CA fire season. You'd think the SkyBox master-slave relationship would allow them to coordinate, but this causes the one with a smaller solar array to run down it's battery sooner, faulting the system causing a complete shutdown of both SkyBoxen. <br></div><div>OutBack says they are not fixing this, so I'm looking at SolArk for systems larger than 5 kW. </div><div><br></div><div>Don Barch</div><div>Energy Solar<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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From: Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>><br>
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Hi All,<br>
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Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have someone<br>
interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with them and if<br>
they are reliable.<br>
<br>
Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter,<br>
which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for<br>
purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Dave<br>
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*Dave Tedeyan, PE*<br>
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Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 18:46:09 -0700<br>
From: Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Dave<br>
I have used the radian and started using the skybox, it works well and is<br>
as simple as it gets to install. My personal experience with fronius is not<br>
good with there grid tie units. Outback has been around in the off grid<br>
environment and is my go to, but hey that's just me<br>
Jerry<br>
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On Sun, May 3, 2020, 6:32 PM Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have<br>
> someone interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with them<br>
> and if they are reliable.<br>
><br>
> Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter,<br>
> which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for<br>
> purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Dave<br>
><br>
> *Dave Tedeyan, PE*<br>
> Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br>
><br>
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Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 19:39:08 -0700<br>
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HI Dave,<br>
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The reason I?ve not used it, is that is has no surge.<br>
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You might also look at the Sol Ark<br>
<br>
Jay<br>
Peltz Power<br>
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> On May 3, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi All, <br>
> <br>
> Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have someone interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with them and if they are reliable.<br>
> <br>
> Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter, which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br>
> <br>
> Cheers, <br>
> Dave<br>
> <br>
> Dave Tedeyan, PE<br>
> Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br>
> <br>
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Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 14:36:05 -0400<br>
From: <a href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a><br>
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I second Jay's suggestion to look at the SolArk. The 8kW has no battery<br>
disconnect, but the 12 kW has one, if you're using non-lithium based<br>
batteries.<br>
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Daryl<br>
Penobscot Solar Design<br>
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> HI Dave,<br>
><br>
> The reason I???ve not used it, is that is has no surge.<br>
><br>
> You might also look at the Sol Ark<br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
> Peltz Power<br>
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>> On May 3, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Dave Tedeyan <<a href="mailto:dtedeyan@taitem.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dtedeyan@taitem.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi All,<br>
>><br>
>> Does anyone have experience using Outback's Skybox inverter? I have<br>
>> someone interested and am curious to hear if people have had luck with<br>
>> them and if they are reliable.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, I've been seeing promo material for Fronius' Gen 24 Plus inverter,<br>
>> which looks like it fills the same niche. Are those even available for<br>
>> purchase yet? If so, does anyone have experience with these?<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Dave<br>
>><br>
>> Dave Tedeyan, PE<br>
>> Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC<br>
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