<p>Also consider that the engineer is calling out xw+6848 which does have firmware support that stopped on the old graybox xw6048. Make sure you at least have the latest firmware in your 6048s' and that it is all the same. It is on the schneider site under discontinued products. Good Luck with this!</p>
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">KISS.... have you checked the low voltage setting on AC2? Make sure that is is not set to the default settings. AC <span style="color: #ff4013;">Transfer time? I set to the lowest time, I believe its 1</span>.
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">The AGS will cause XW+ to disconnect the generator when a stop signal is sent (Auto Stop) for the generator cool down period (user adjustable-AGS>Advanced Settings>Cfg <span style="color: #0056d6;">Gen). If you are just manually stopping the generator, then it is possible for the XW+ to stay connected all the way down to 80V unless you increase that low AC value in XW+>Advanced Settings>AC Settings menu. </span><span style="color: #e32400;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>AC2 transfer time may also be adjusted (default is 40s) using Combox, Gateway or Config Tool. This is the time it takes to switch from gen to inverting. </em></span></strong></span></div>
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<div>Have you shortened the transfer time from gen to inv, voltage "cut out"acceptance of the gen in power instead of their 90Vac to say 110V/L ? Raising the output voltage on the 6848s & gen set for VD/voltage sag issues under heavy loading? Watch this as sometimes under heavy loading it will cut the AC input. I use the config tool to address this kind of issue, gives me a bit more control.
<div> I have a client that has a large external battery charger similar to a fork truck unit that he alleges causes "dirty power" while the genset is supplying power to the charger, w/o charging thru the inverters. Unfortunately w/ the virus I have yet to confirm.
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