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    <p>That was our kludgey plan, if Schneider can't do a firmware

      update.  The issue I have with that, is the no load draw of the

      inverter is still 25 watts, so eventually it could still pull the

      batteries into full shutdown.  <br>

    </p>

    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ray Walters

Remote Solar

303 505-8760</pre>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/20 10:30 AM, Kent Osterberg

      wrote:<br>

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      I like that approach, Jay. Great idea. It gets the job done and is

      self contained - using only the features of the inverter. The

      remote power off could still be used with another remote switch.

      If there aren't enough aux output ports in the system, one could

      add a Morningstar relay driver.<br>

      <br>

      None-the-less, considering that Scneider Electric has made a lot

      of firmware changes to make the inverter compatible with lithium

      batteries, it is baffling that the low battery cutout hasn't been

      addressed.<br>

      <br>

      Kent Osterberg<br>

      Blue Mountain Solar<br>

      <br>

      <br>

      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/2020 6:18 PM, Jay wrote:<br>

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        <div dir="ltr">Hi Kent,</div>

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        <div dir="ltr">Yes that\u2019s what I mean. </div>

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        <div dir="ltr">According to the manual I\u2019ve got, up to 52v for

          the low, 64 for the high. </div>

        <div dir="ltr">Which is high enough to do what the simpliphi

          needs. </div>

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        <div dir="ltr">Jay</div>

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          <blockquote type="cite">On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Kent

            Osterberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"

              href="mailto:kent@coveoregon.com" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;kent@coveoregon.com&gt;</a>

            wrote:<br>

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            Jay,<br>

            <br>

            Do you mean: use the Aux relay to activate the Remote Power

            Off? What is the low battery setting range for the Aux

            relay? I don't see it in the manual. <br>

            <br>

            Kent Osterberg<br>

            Blue Mountain Solar<br>

            <br>

            <br>

            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/2020 4:04 PM, Jay

              wrote:<br>

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              <div dir="ltr">Ray, </div>

              <div dir="ltr">Have you heard bought about using the Aux

                relay to control the AC output at what ever voltage you

                want?</div>

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              <div dir="ltr">Jay</div>

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                <blockquote type="cite">On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Ray

                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"

                    href="mailto:ray@solarray.com"

                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;ray@solarray.com&gt;</a>

                  wrote:<br>

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                  <p>That's the whole point: we need the LBCO to be

                    higher than 48v to catch the beginning of that steep

                    drop off, so that there is still enough reserve left

                    to keep the monitoring and solar charge controllers

                    in operation, and avoid the dreaded dark start. 

                    With Simpliphi, we don't have the dark start, but it

                    still requires manual reset.   This isn't

                    theoretical, we have been having serious trouble

                    with a system because of Schneider's inability to

                    set the LVD above 48 v.  Also setting the voltage

                    higher (lower DOD) extends the cycle life of these

                    batteries.  Otherwise, I love the stable 51 volts of

                    Li+, even under load.  <br>

                  </p>

                  <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ray Walters

Remote Solar

303 505-8760</pre>

                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/20 4:15 PM, Jerry

                    Shafer wrote:<br>

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                    <div dir="auto">Wrenches

                      <div dir="auto">Don't let the LBCU scare you as

                        this battery has such a flat SOC line that when

                        it falls off there is not much left in the tank.

                        In addition set the flex net to low SOC at 15%

                        and critical to 10%.</div>

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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 22,

                        2020, 12:15 PM Sindelar Solar &lt;<a

                          href="mailto:Allan@sindelarsolar.com"

                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"

                          moz-do-not-send="true">Allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>&gt;

                        wrote:<br>

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                          <p>Specifically with Blue Ion, the

                            installation manual recommends 48V as LBCO,

                            but also recommends setting it a bit higher:</p>

                          <p>"Recommended Low Voltage Disconnect

                            Setting: 48 VDC (~2-10% State of Charge)<br>

                            BMU will power down the Blue Ion 2.0 cabinet

                            at 44 VDC (&lt;1% State of Charge)<br>

                            Based on system discharge patterns, SoC and

                            voltage correlations will vary.<br>

                            We recommend you err on the side of caution

                            with a higher LVD setting and adjust as

                            necessary.<br>

                            To prevent a dark start event, we recommend

                            leaving a little reserve \u201cfuel in the

                            tank\u201d."</p>

                          <p>I have used 48VDC with success, and had one

                            system indeed shut down at 44V, leaving 1%

                            left to reboot.<br>

                          </p>

                          <p>Allan<br>

                          </p>

                          <div>On 3/22/2020 12:44 PM, Ray wrote:<br>

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                            <p>Blue Ion, and Simpliphi that I know of.<br>

                            </p>

                            <pre cols="72">Ray Walters

Remote Solar

303 505-8760</pre>

                            <div>On 3/21/20 2:48 PM, Dave Angelini

                              Offgrid Solar wrote:<br>

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                              <p>I see what you mean Ray. Sorry I

                                misread your mail. There are not too

                                many batteries out there that need LBCO

                                above 48V. Which ones are you talking

                                about please?</p>

                              <p><strong><span style="font-size:small">Dave

                                    Angelini Offgrid Solar</span></strong></p>

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                                <pre><strong><span style="font-size:small">"we go where powerlines don't"

<a href="http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/</a>

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text 209 813 0060</span></strong></pre>

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                              <p>On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:18:21 -0700,

                                Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <a

                                  href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net"

                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer"

                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;offgridsolar@sti.net&gt;</a>

                                wrote:</p>

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                                <p>Hi Ray,</p>

                                <p>Which XW? There are 3 now. The old

                                  graybox XW defaults at 44V LBCO and

                                  the range is 40 to 48V. There also was

                                  firmware back in its day that got

                                  older units updated. Schneider still

                                  has the firmware under discontinued

                                  products.</p>

                                <p>XW+ is default 44V and adjustable 36

                                  to 44 vdc.</p>

                                <p>XW pro is running downstairs and I

                                  will take a look. It would be my guess

                                  that it is the same as XW+. I think

                                  one needs to be sure they are in

                                  Advanced settings to tweak LBCO also.</p>

                                <p>I am not plugging Schneider and have

                                  done work for both Outback and

                                  Schneider as well as my clients. Hope

                                  this helps. </p>

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                                  <pre><strong><span style="font-size:small">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

"we go where powerlines don't"

<a href="http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/</a>

e-mail  <a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">offgridsolar@sti.net</a>

text 209 813 0060</span></strong></pre>

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                                <p>On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:46:21 -0400,

                                  Ray <a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com"

                                    rel="noreferrer noreferrer"

                                    target="_blank"

                                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;ray@solarray.com&gt;</a>

                                  wrote:</p>

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                                  <p>We've been having good luck with

                                    SImpliphi, the pricing has recently

                                    gotten much more competitive.  As

                                    it's names states, its simple.  Each

                                    3.8 kWh unit has an 80 amp breaker

                                    built into the top, weigh about 75

                                    lbs, and are a bit smaller than an

                                    L16 but with carry handles.  We use

                                    an insulated 2 pole combiner block

                                    to run all the parallel conductors

                                    to the main 2/0 cable.  No

                                    monitoring, but they do have an

                                    handy setup guide with recommended

                                    settings, specific for each

                                    manufacturer (including Outback). </p>

                                  <p>Note to all:  Schneider XW can

                                    still not set its LVD above 48,

                                    which basically makes it

                                    incompatible with most Li+

                                    batteries.  Their tech support has

                                    been abysmal as well.   We're

                                    looking forward to them as one of

                                    the larger companies in the

                                    business, to put additional

                                    resources into their engineering,

                                    and come out with at least a

                                    firmware update to correct this

                                    problem.  </p>

                                  <pre>Ray Walters

Remote Solar

303 505-8760</pre>

                                  <div>On 3/20/20 3:59 PM, David Katz

                                    wrote:</div>

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                                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hello

                                        Wrenches,</div>

                                      <div class="gmail_default"

                                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I

                                        am working with some people that

                                        want to use a 20 kw-hour to 30

                                        kw-hour 48 volt lithium-ion

                                        battery with an Outback Radian

                                        and Outback FM charge

                                        controllers.</div>

                                      <div class="gmail_default"

                                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">They

                                        are considering using Discover,

                                        Blue-Ion, Battle Born or

                                        SimpliPhi batteries.</div>

                                      <div class="gmail_default"

                                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Does

                                        any one have any recommendations

                                        of which battery functions best

                                        with the Outback system.</div>

                                      <div class="gmail_default"

                                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Thanks,</div>

                                      <div class="gmail_default"

                                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">David

                                        Katz</div>

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