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I like that approach, Jay. Great idea. It gets the job done and is
self contained - using only the features of the inverter. The remote
power off could still be used with another remote switch. If there
aren't enough aux output ports in the system, one could add a
Morningstar relay driver.<br>
<br>
None-the-less, considering that Scneider Electric has made a lot of
firmware changes to make the inverter compatible with lithium
batteries, it is baffling that the low battery cutout hasn't been
addressed.<br>
<br>
Kent Osterberg<br>
Blue Mountain Solar<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/2020 6:18 PM, Jay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yes that\u2019s what I mean. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">According to the manual I\u2019ve got, up to 52v for the
low, 64 for the high. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Which is high enough to do what the simpliphi
needs. </div>
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Jay,<br>
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Do you mean: use the Aux relay to activate the Remote Power
Off? What is the low battery setting range for the Aux relay?
I don't see it in the manual. <br>
<br>
Kent Osterberg<br>
Blue Mountain Solar<br>
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relay to control the AC output at what ever voltage you
want?</div>
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<p>That's the whole point: we need the LBCO to be higher
than 48v to catch the beginning of that steep drop
off, so that there is still enough reserve left to
keep the monitoring and solar charge controllers in
operation, and avoid the dreaded dark start. With
Simpliphi, we don't have the dark start, but it still
requires manual reset. This isn't theoretical, we
have been having serious trouble with a system because
of Schneider's inability to set the LVD above 48 v.
Also setting the voltage higher (lower DOD) extends
the cycle life of these batteries. Otherwise, I love
the stable 51 volts of Li+, even under load. <br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/20 4:15 PM, Jerry
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<div dir="auto">Wrenches
<div dir="auto">Don't let the LBCU scare you as this
battery has such a flat SOC line that when it
falls off there is not much left in the tank. In
addition set the flex net to low SOC at 15% and
critical to 10%.</div>
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2020, 12:15 PM Sindelar Solar <<a
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<p>Specifically with Blue Ion, the installation
manual recommends 48V as LBCO, but also
recommends setting it a bit higher:</p>
<p>"Recommended Low Voltage Disconnect Setting:
48 VDC (~2-10% State of Charge)<br>
BMU will power down the Blue Ion 2.0 cabinet
at 44 VDC (<1% State of Charge)<br>
Based on system discharge patterns, SoC and
voltage correlations will vary.<br>
We recommend you err on the side of caution
with a higher LVD setting and adjust as
necessary.<br>
To prevent a dark start event, we recommend
leaving a little reserve \u201cfuel in the tank\u201d."</p>
<p>I have used 48VDC with success, and had one
system indeed shut down at 44V, leaving 1%
left to reboot.<br>
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<p>Allan<br>
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<p>Blue Ion, and Simpliphi that I know of.<br>
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<p>I see what you mean Ray. Sorry I misread
your mail. There are not too many
batteries out there that need LBCO above
48V. Which ones are you talking about
please?</p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small">Dave
Angelini Offgrid Solar</span></strong></p>
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<p>On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:18:21 -0700, Dave
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<p>Hi Ray,</p>
<p>Which XW? There are 3 now. The old
graybox XW defaults at 44V LBCO and the
range is 40 to 48V. There also was
firmware back in its day that got older
units updated. Schneider still has the
firmware under discontinued products.</p>
<p>XW+ is default 44V and adjustable 36 to
44 vdc.</p>
<p>XW pro is running downstairs and I will
take a look. It would be my guess that
it is the same as XW+. I think one needs
to be sure they are in Advanced settings
to tweak LBCO also.</p>
<p>I am not plugging Schneider and have
done work for both Outback and Schneider
as well as my clients. Hope this helps. </p>
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<p>On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:46:21 -0400, Ray
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<p>We've been having good luck with
SImpliphi, the pricing has recently
gotten much more competitive. As it's
names states, its simple. Each 3.8
kWh unit has an 80 amp breaker built
into the top, weigh about 75 lbs, and
are a bit smaller than an L16 but with
carry handles. We use an insulated 2
pole combiner block to run all the
parallel conductors to the main 2/0
cable. No monitoring, but they do
have an handy setup guide with
recommended settings, specific for
each manufacturer (including
Outback). </p>
<p>Note to all: Schneider XW can still
not set its LVD above 48, which
basically makes it incompatible with
most Li+ batteries. Their tech
support has been abysmal as well.
We're looking forward to them as one
of the larger companies in the
business, to put additional resources
into their engineering, and come out
with at least a firmware update to
correct this problem. </p>
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Wrenches,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
am working with some people that
want to use a 20 kw-hour to 30
kw-hour 48 volt lithium-ion
battery with an Outback Radian and
Outback FM charge controllers.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">They
are considering using Discover,
Blue-Ion, Battle Born or SimpliPhi
batteries.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Does
any one have any recommendations
of which battery functions best
with the Outback system.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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