<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Rains came\u2026. is the Gen shed away from the inverter/batteries/home? Water in conduit? You made sure that the generator natural was not bonded as the tend to be? To jays question; surging changes as the charge rate goes down? Have you removed the air cleaner from the gen set and run it that way, under a load? I have seen water vapor freezing in the air filter causing surging I have also seen the rubber hose from AC to engine collapse under a load then when the load goes away no more surge and under the load up surges again and so on. <div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 19, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" class="">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi William</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">3 questions</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Did this system used to work?</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">The surging is happening even with no loads, just battery charging?</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Lastly, did you find a charging/ ac amp size that stopped the surging? With 30 amps it\u2019s still charging full rate, if you set it down further does it stop?</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Jay</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Peltz Power. </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:20 AM, William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">\ufeff<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Mac:</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I know well what the AC input mode is. This is the project that had the excessive THD on the voltage waveform (>26%f). Here is a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/25_GFI%20Tripping/GFI_Tripping.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">link</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to the case study.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">As you can see, we resolved the problem by changing the AC input mode to Backup. After recent rains started and generator run became necessary, the client started noticing flickering of lights and refrigerator operation was unreliable. We examined the E-Gauge data and could see rapid fluctuations in the generator output. At one point we saw generator power range from 19kW to 12Kw and back in about 2 seconds.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We isolated the generator into a load bank and it was rock solid. We tried lots of things but when we reconnected the generator to the Radians and switched to the Radians to Generator input mode the surging stopped. Unfortunately, the Generator mode causes tons of THD, as noted in the case study.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So we can\u2019t use Generator because of THD, and we can\u2019t use Backup (or Support or UPS) because in all these modes the generator surges.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">By the way, this is a newish Kohler 30RCL. This should be a rock-solid match to a 24 kW Radian system.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Like I said, we tried lots of things. What stopped the surging was to open the AC input breaker to Inverter 1. It did not help to open the input to Inverters 2 or 3. I don\u2019t have a clue as to why this is so\u2026</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We tried taking Inverter 1 out of the system--moving inverter 2 up to Master and Inverter 3 to Slave 1. The generator still surged. So if anyone started to think Inverter 1 was the problem, this was not confirmed.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We are certain the neutral bonding is exactly as it should be. We tripled checked this when chasing the THD problems. We also adjusted input AC from 30 to 50 (per port), no improvement.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I must say Outback has been very available to us as we try to figure these problems out. I am fortunate that I am working with a senior engineer. We are both currently stumped, but we are going to consult again tomorrow and see if any other ideas come to us.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thanks everyone for the input. More soon.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">William Miller</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mac Lewis<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, March 18, 2020 6:35 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator surging</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi William,</div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Do you know what your AC input mode is? </div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I'd try playing with this mode. </div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">If you have a generator, I'd try switching between "generator", "support". You may quickly see a difference. There is a small diode symbol that shows up on the Mate3s screen during generator charging. I don't fully understand what that means but I know that it can affect how a generator works with the Radian.</div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Also, you may try lowering the charging current and see how the generator responds.</div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">What type of generator? Whats your AC input limits?</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:56 PM Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Adjust the generator max output in the outback down and see what happens</div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Jerry</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 4:04 PM William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Friends:</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I have a 24kW Radian system that is acting up. The problem is when the generator is running, it surges. Voltage and power go up and down. We connected the generator to a load bank and there was no surging. This makes me think the problem is in the Radian system.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Has anyone else experienced this?</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Thanks in advance for any input.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">William Miller</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">_______________________________________________<br class="">List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br class=""><br class="">List Address:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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