<div dir="ltr">Thanks all for the suggestions. <div><br><div>Regarding the stacking, I read a little more into it. It seems like this is actually neither series or parallel stacking, </div><div>since each inverter independently feeds its own 120V backed up loads panel. It will be interesting though to </div><div>turn off one inverter and see if the issue continues, which would rule out a stacking concern.</div><div><br></div><div>Sounds like it will also be worth bypassing the GTI to see if that could be causing any issues. </div><div><br></div><div>There is also no concern about limiting selling here. They do have utility approval for selling.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Tump, you mention unplugging a cord/plug. Can you tell me a little more about what operation this would confirm? The system is not AC coupled.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll report back with what I learn.</div><div>Cheers, </div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div><div><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Dave Tedeyan, PE</font></b></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><img src="https://www.taitem.com/signatures/logo.png"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">110 South Albany Street</font><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> | Ithaca, NY 14850</span></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">o. <u>607.277.1118 x121</u> f. 607.277.2119</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.taitem.com" target="_blank">www.taitem.com</a></font></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Solar </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">\u2022</span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.5pt;line-height:17.8333px"> </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Sustainability </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">\u2022 </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Energy </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">\u2022 </span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px">Design</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:14.2667px"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">Certified B-Corporation since 2013</span><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br></span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:01 PM Ray <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The SWs were awesome for off grid in their day, but infamous for
burning up a couple of kW worth of array in inefficiency when grid
tied. I actually saw several systems that consumed more power
from the grid than they produced. Once the GTI box was added, it
just got worse. I would compare that system to an early 80s
carbureted vehicle: partial design solutions stacked on top of
each other to meet emissions standards; then we got computer
controlled fuel injection. Nobody ever went back. I'd suggest
the same there: It never was a good GT solution. The equipment is
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With this set up the AC feed <b><i>into</i></b>
the grid is not constant. The current will ramp up then back down.
Open the connection end of the inverters and you will see a small
black (behind the cardboard) cord/plug that can be disconnected to
confirm operation & disable ramping effect. As long as the
inverters are connected to L1/L2 respectfully as individual
inverters then this should work. I do have the cable, but its
really not the most efficient AC coupling design out there.
<div>The SWs still can be repaired using older boards but
its pricy, there is a market for them so you might be able to
sell them and purchase something a bit more up to date. I have
the cable & a refurbished XW5548 contact me off list if
interested. Tump<br>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dave,</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Guessing
it\u2019s a synchronization problem between the two
inverters.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Depending
on the placement of the grid tie breakers, the two
inverters are presenting themselves as either in
parallel (2 x 120v sources on the same leg) or
\u201cseries\u201d (120 / 240 on two 120V legs).</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
attached manual excerpt and tech note talk about
both. Seems that you need a synch cable in either
case, recently did a rebuild on an SW 5048 (pm for
internals rebuilder info) and needed cable to get
both inverters to work properly.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Have at
least one grid-tie / backup system that has been
running for years with dual SW / GTI\u2019s \u2013 time for
battery replacement, rest of system still going\u2026</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Best
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misspeak on my part. It is DC negatives and
grounds that are tied together. No neutrals in the
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<p>Why would neutral be in the DC conduit
box? This just wrong but I doubt this is the
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<p>Since this never worked properly or
has not in 13 years, I would suggest replacement
with modern equipment. SW from xantrex has been
out of support for around 15 years and always
was a headache grid tied, in my opinion.</p>
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last ditch effort to get their system
working which has been non-functional
since a few months after installation,
13 years ago...<u></u><u></u></div>
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new batteries in there, I can at least
fire it up. It is a grid tie with
battery backup situation with two
Xantrex SW4048 inverters. Each inverter
is kind of like its own system with two
Outback MX60 CC's per inverter, and each
inverter powers its own 120V backed up
loads panel. They do not see each other
until their 60A single pole breakers in
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happening is that after turning on the
inverters the AC1 in good light will
flash for about 30 seconds, then it
syncs up to the grid and the light stays
on solid. But then after a little bit,
that light will start flashing,
indicating that the utility power has
been dropped, when it has not actually
been dropped. Then at some point the
backed up loads would lose power. The
customer says that every 1-10 minutes,
they would lose the backed up loads for
10-90 seconds. This happened all night
long until they bypassed the inverters.<u></u><u></u></div>
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manual there is information about
stacking the inverters, but I am
guessing in this setup this not
necessary or would even be counter
productive to stack the inverters. Not
sure if the inverters not being stacked
could cause one of them to unsync with
the utility?<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">3. Neutrals and
grounds are bonded in their main panel,
but also in each of the Xantrex DC
breaker boxes. I was going to separate
them in the DC breaker boxes, but found
that there is no way to isolate the
battery negative bus from the box
itself, and figured it would be dodgy to
unground the enclosure. So I am also not
sure if the multiple N-G bonds could be
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