<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Agreed on all points, and one more. The Northwest Energy Storage (<a href="http://www.hupsolarone.com">www.hupsolarone.com</a>) website is unsurpassed, and set up so that I can send clients to it, for dimensions and weights, capacities, proper care, min/max charging rates... and retail prices, so no questions about what the cost will be. </div><div dir="ltr">Allan</div><div dir="ltr">(P.S. - worst battery website: <a href="http://Ibe-inc.com">Ibe-inc.com</a> for IBE industrial FLA batteries. Useless lack of info that hasn\u2019t been updated since the WWW was invented.)</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Nov 8, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<span>Yes I like the HUPS
for many of the same reasons Ray wrote: I also like that depending on
the site I can choose to move them in 900-1800 lb units (6 of the 2V
cells in one steel can depending on model) or remove them individually
(150-300lbs) and move them that way if needed.<br>
<br>
The install time if moved in the cans is only 3 intertie cables. I do
recommend that folks re-torque the factory installed interties though as
they seem to loosen with thermal cycling.<br>
<br>
They also come with a great warranty and free shipping - the steel cases
make them great for shipping to developing world in a container.<br>
<br>
And I've received nothing but the best service from NW Energy Storage.<br>
<br>
They are my go-to battery for wet cell Pb-acid for sure for large
systems.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps.<br>
<br>
Jeff Clearwater<br>
Village Power Design<br>
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<p>They are made up of removable 2 v cells, and they are much better
than the Surrettes. They come with all the interconnects
prewired, have a better warranty, longer cycle life, free
shipping, and most importantly they Perform better. They will
outlast all of the batteries you listed, not just on paper, but in
real life. They also hold their voltage under load much better
than the Surrettes. Once customers go with the HUPs, we quit
having to worry about them. <br>
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<p>We primarily have our power equipment in the garage of the house,
then use a Bob cat to move the batteries straight off the truck
and into their final resting place in under 30 minutes. I sold
and installed some of the other brands before settling on the HUPs
many years ago. The previous install Pic was just demonstrating
how they can be disassembled if needed, here's how we do it most
of the time:<br>
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<p>I'm with you, the replacement battery for these HUPs are
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My question is WHY do folks still install these steel cased Pain
the A*& BBs when we have 2 volt cells
(UnigiII/Surrette/Crown)that have up to 2400AH @20hr rate and
are easily moved by hand, fork truck, shovel! 2 volt cells is
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<p class="">We've used an engine hoist before, but for
tight spaces, we built a rig out of unistrut with a
small block and tackle. Come along can be hard to
use, and puts dangerous metal parts over the battery.</p>
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month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly.
Earlier, on a similar HUP replacement, I told
the (absentee) client that I would rent an
engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel
cases, and he advised me that it would cost him
less labor and travel if I bought one of the
Chinese engine hoists from Harbor Freight for
$90 and just kept it. Turned out to be a good
application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete
floor, the engine hoist, a simple hand truck and
a strong assistant to share the load made light
work of both removal and installation - all
4,000 pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at a
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