<div dir="ltr">When it comes to Recycling Lead it depends on the content of the Lead Battery... <br><br>To my knowledge, Just to name a few... Rolls Batteries, Trojan, Deka, Crown are generally all 98 to 99% recyclable... <br><br>In developed countries where there are smelters 99% + of all lead acid batteries are indeed recycled... In countries without a smelter, I'm sad to say there are many dead batteries that never make it to the smelter. On that note all over the world there are landfills, or even garbage collection trucks catching fire because people have disposed of their lithium battery in the trash... I've got a video of what happens when you try to recycle lithium batteries in a lead recycling plant, here's the link... <br><br><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8PfY_G1pzpqa2VTVXRZV1VuSlE/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8PfY_G1pzpqa2VTVXRZV1VuSlE/view?usp=sharing</a><br><br>One of the more common additives to lead base batteries Cadmium, or other heavy metals.
this is toxic and contaminates the lead, which makes any lead battery with Cadmium in it hazardous waste. Instead of getting back a core charge you'll have to pay a disposal fee, or worse the recycling center just won't take the battery. <br><br>Lead Carbon, Lead Antimonoy, and Lead Calcium are generally all fully recyclable as long as they don't have any of the other heavy metals in them. Make sure you check the SDS information before you buy new chemistries...<br><br><div>>From the research I've done over the past few years Lithium based batteries, and there are 50+ various chemistries. Recyclabiltiy ranges from 4% to about 15% of the total battery, depending on the manufacturer. LFP, is at this point the least toxic of them all, and unfortunately the least power dense, isn't recyclable, but "supposedly" can be disposed of in a landfill. That is at least what some cell manufactures tell us... I personally find that very hard to believe! </div><div><br></div><div>Generally with LFP batteries they will recycle the electronics, plastic, or steel case, the actual lithium, I'm guessing is being stockpiled and stored at this point, waiting for a recycling solution. I really hope they aren't being landfilled, or incinerated, but nobody that I've spoken with on the subject really knows where the dead product is really going. <br><br>Frankly all this is one of the many reasons Rolls has taken so..so. long to ship a Lithium based solution... <br><br><br></div><div>Here are a couple of cool articles on the subject of Lithium and Lithium production... <br><br><a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact">https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact</a> <br><br><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/?noredirect=on">https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/?noredirect=on</a> </div><div><br></div><div><br> <br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div style="float:left;padding:1px 10px 0 0"><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rollsbattery.com" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/uXcqgyz.png" alt="" style="padding:3px 0px 0px 10px;float:left;margin-right:10px;width:98px;height:115px"></a><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:20px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font color="#bb1a1d">Steve Higgins \u22c5
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<p>Agreed that this is important and overlooked. Blue Planet is a
case in point. While I'm well satisfied with their product and
support, the individual battery packs each come with an absurd
amount of styrofoam packaging from Murata, the manufacturer. I was
told that Blue Planet was working to find a less wasteful
alternative, and that I could pay (substantially) extra to reduce
the volume of packaging. <br>
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<p>To date I haven't heard from them about end-of-life recycling;
given their promised long service life, I admit that I have
succumbed to the 'by then there will be structures in place to
address the need' avoidance.</p>
<p>I would appreciate having a Blue Planet manufacturer's
representative on this list.</p>
<p>Allan<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Mark. Great question! This is an
important consideration. Tesla has a recycling facility
at their Nevada plant for their batteries. Curious how
other LFP manufacturers recommend end of life
handling.
<div>Speaking of waste, As you all are installing
systems of all varieties, what are you finding with
regard to non sustainable packaging in all your
"clean" energy materials. I am troubled that after
many of our installs we have a pile of plastic and
styrofoam as big as the the balance of system
installation. Sometimes bigger. It drives me crazy
to have this blight on our installation. I am often
embarrassed when the customer points out this
dichotomy of the installation. Which manufacturers
are you happiest with in regards to environmentally
friendly packaging materials for inverters, other
balance of system, and batteries (probably LFePho4)?
Collectively we should have the ability to pressure
them to use more sustainable packaging. </div>
<div>I have seen some improvements and some half way
implemented changes, but a lot more can be done to
improve this aspect of our industry. All of us can
help....Together we have a big voice.</div>
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at 7:34 AM Mark Frye <<a href="mailto:markf@berkeleysolar.com" target="_blank">markf@berkeleysolar.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Folks,<br>
<br>
Has anyone done a good review of the current state of
affairs re: <br>
recycling Li batteries?<br>
<br>
I am a bit in the past with a starry-eyed view of Pb
with HUP, in <br>
particular, believing that Pb batteries have almost a
closed cycle <br>
product life, ie, we already have infrastructure to
recycle something <br>
like 95% of the material in Pb batteries.<br>
<br>
Taking a step back, has our industry become just as
jaded by our shiny <br>
new technology as every other sector of our economy,
focusing on <br>
impressive new short term outcomes that are not really
embedded within <br>
the frame work of a sustainable future?<br>
<br>
This is why I ask about the recyclablility /
sustainability of Li <br>
batteries? Some what agnostic here but wondering what
the thinking <br>
around this is?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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