<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">UL 6703 was introduced in 2014<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And in regards to mating connectors, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.720000267028809px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">UL 6703. 1.5 This standard covers PV connectors whose dimensions are not defined in any national or international technical standard. Connectors are identified and tested with compatible mating part (or parts if multiple exist) and are to be of the same brand, unless multiple product manufacturers are submitting under the same evaluation for the purpose of proving intermatability.</span></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Maybe I</span><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px;" class="">\u2019m not reading this correctly, I read it that both connector OEMs have to submit to have it meet the UL standard.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px;" class="">jay</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14.720000267028809px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 7, 2019, at 5:54 AM, Jason Fisher (STC) <<a href="mailto:stc.jason@gmail.com" class="">stc.jason@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: -apple-system, HelveticaNeue; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; direction: ltr;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""></div></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Kent, I don\u2019t see an answer to Brian\u2019s question about the LG module\u2019s original connector configuration. We\u2019re these modules actually factory shipped with one H4 and one MC4 connector on different polarities? That would be bizarre. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Otherwise to back up Brian\u2019s point about Intermatability, this is a UL 6703 term that was added in NEC2020 to specifically address this question, how can installers have confidence when they are asked to connect two different manufacturer\u2019s mating connectors. Bottom line is don\u2019t connect \u201cmismatched\u201d connectors, ever. Only connect different manufacturers, and/or different models of mating connectors if at least one of the companies produces proof of evaluation of that combination by an NRTL. Warning that this is rare at this point (those wouldn\u2019t therefore be \u201cmismatched\u201d). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">This is a very important issue so my advice to Wrenches is to keep firm and don\u2019t budge on this one. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Also curious if you all still think you can\u2019t cut off module connectors? We need to correct that if so. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Jason Fisher</div><div class="ms-outlook-ios-signature"></div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: -apple-system, HelveticaNeue; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 725.1875px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="dir="ltr"" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> on behalf of Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" class="">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 5, 2019 11:25 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] connector mismatch<div class=""> </div></font></div><div dir="auto" class="">Brian<div dir="auto" class="">Missing the point, yes they are compatible but as we have seen in the real world there are issues. This can give module and micro inverter manufacturers an out regarding failures and responsibility </div><div dir="auto" class="">Jerry</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 1:41 AM Brian Mehalic <<a href="mailto:brian@solarenergy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">brian@solarenergy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class="">I don\u2019t think \u201csome white paper\u201d is sufficient based on Code requirements, UL standards (6703), and verified field failures. Also see 2020 NEC® 690.33(C) - now requiring intermatability. <br class=""><br class=""><div id="m_-318506501290202540m_1919283445577569262m_-4519548902895815155AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr" class="">Brian</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On Sep 4, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Wrenches<div dir="auto" class="">Per some white papers connectors are interchangeable, this being said l have had arc issues as a result. FYI there are knock-offs out there to.</div><div dir="auto" class="">Jerry</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 1:42 PM Brian Mehalic <<a href="mailto:brian@solarenergy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">brian@solarenergy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class="">Are you saying each module has, for example, a positive factory H4 lead and a negative factory MC4 lead?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I definitely know of H4 problems, both mated with H4s and mismatched. <br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="m_-318506501290202540m_1919283445577569262m_-4519548902895815155m_-9108908460359828031m_814687027348042393gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Brian Mehalic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional\u2122 R031508-59</div><div class="">National Electrical Code® CMP-4 Member</div><div class="">(520) 204-6639<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Solar Energy International<br class=""><a href="http://www.solarenergy.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.solarenergy.org</a></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SEI Professional Services</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.seisolarpros.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class="">http://www.s</span>eisolarpros.com</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:22 PM Kent Osterberg <<a href="mailto:kent@coveoregon.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">kent@coveoregon.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I've recently been looking for the cause of random power drop offs to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">zero in an Enphase M215 system with LG260 PV module that was installed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">in 2013. Just one inverter in a system of fourteen has been doing this.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Enphase suggested moving the inverter to a different PV module and sure<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">enough doing that proved the problem wasn't with the inverter. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Intermittent zero output was being caused by the PV module. In making<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">the inverter/module change I found that all the LG 260 modules in this<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">system have one MC4 connector and one H4 connector. 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