<div dir="ltr">I've been following this post with great interest. I was looking at an off-grid project a couple years back that was being run entirely by large diesel generators and had two massive AC units where the LRA was 104 Amps. I found a company that makes what amounts to a soft start. I don't recall the engineer/owners name but he was very knowledgeable. His number is 813-601-0947 and web site is <a href="http://gen-pro.biz">gen-pro.biz</a>. To finish the client never made the switch from generator to solar so I can't say if these units work. Hope this provides another option.<div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Christopher</div><div><p style="text-align:center"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span style="font-size:9pt">229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 </span><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></span></i><i style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10pt"><font color="#1f497d"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424<br></font></font></span></i><i style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://www.solarandwindfx.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">www.solarandwindfx.com</span></a> ~ E-mail: <span style="color:blue"><a href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com" target="_blank">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a></span></span></i></p><p style="text-align:center"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><img src="http://solarandwindfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/certs.jpg" width="200" height="56"><br></span></i></p><p style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, "democracy" will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."</span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 4:15 PM Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span>Hey Jerry,<br>
<br>
I think the issue is capacitor start motors can't handle VFDs. but
there are other approaches to soft start - still learning. Thanks for
the reference!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
Jerry Shafer wrote on 7/26/19 12:59 PM:</span><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">Wrenches<div dir="auto">I have quite a few freq drives
on single phase, the controller came from ABB, the pic attached is
reference only, it was for a AC chiller grid connected not off grid but
the controller works either way </div><div dir="auto">Jerry</div></div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul
26, 2019, 12:47 PM Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" target="_blank">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span>Thanks Chris!<br>
<br>
Unfortunately I'm finding that unless you build an integrated control -
motor combo that can soft start like Franklin did - the majority of
single phase motors can't use soft start. That is probably a 3-phase
motor in that pump that they have an inverter for in the controls - or
they used a shaded pole or spit capacitor single phase motor which can
use soft start - at least that is what my initial research and phone
call to the pump control company has thus far revealed.<br>
<br>
Apparently you can play with the voltage-amperage tradeoffs when you
have the 3 magnetic fields interaction - single phase doesn't allow you
much room to wiggle.<br>
<br>
I do see single phase soft-starts on the market - still researching but
that's my initial findings.<br>
<br>
Anyone know differently?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<a class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chris@OasisMontana.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">chris@OasisMontana.com</a> wrote on 7/26/19 9:27
AM:</span><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>Here
at the Oasis home/office, we
have a <span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461SpellE">Goulds</span> 3 hp
240VAC soft start pump
(#18GS30, w/ Franklin motor HS09970 and #3AS30 <span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461SpellE">Aquavar</span>
Solo controller); it\u2019s been running off of my 2011 Radian GS8048 since
2016, when I had to drill a new well (the water table is dropping) and
pump from about 300 ft. depth.<span> </span>I
have 3500 ft. of drip irrigation, a big garden and the usual domestic
water loads.<span> </span>It\u2019s worked
flawlessly since its inception, and I cannot speak more highly of <span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461SpellE">Goulds</span> pumps.<span> </span>My
first one lasted 23 years (it was a 1.5HP model).<span> </span></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>Best,</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>Chris
Daum</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>Oasis Montana Inc.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>406-777-4309
or 4321</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>406-777-4309 fax</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="black"><span><a href="http://www.oasismontana.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0563c1"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.oasismontana.com</span></font></a>
</span></font><font size="3" color="black"><span></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span> </span></font></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span>From:</span></font></b><font color="black"><span>
RE-wrenches
<a class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org></a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Dana<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 26, 2019 9:34 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Jeff Clearwater'
<a class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com></a>;
'RE-wrenches'
<a class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Soft
Start Modules for Well and Sewage Pumps?</span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span>Yes I have used soft
starts offgrid with SW
& VFX for 15+ years, in spite of doing load evaluations & others
installing what ever they normally used. It has been a great rescue
device. Well pump, 2 dish washers, booster pump, etc.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span> </span></font></p><div><div style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1.5pt solid windowtext;padding:0in 0in 1pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Century Gothic" color="#002060"><span> </span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Century Gothic" color="#002060"><span> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span>Dana
Orzel Great
Solar Works, Inc. </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span>C -
208.721.7003 <a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a></span></font></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span>Idaho
Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV #
028374</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span>NABCEP #
051112-136 <a href="http://www.solarwork.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.solarwork.com</a></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span>"Responsible
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeff
Clearwater<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday,
July 26, 2019 8:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [RE-wrenches] Soft Start
Modules for Well and Sewage Pumps?</span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hey
Wrenches,<br><br>Anyone have success using soft-start modules on well
and sewage pumps to lower the surge for off-grid inverters?<br><br>The
baby we are trying to tame is a 2 HP 15 amp, 53 LRA Omnivore Grinder
Pump - LSG200 series - single phase 230 Vac.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br>~~~~~~~~~~~</span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt">Jeff
Clearwater<br>Village Power Design<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-clearwater-0622a312/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">linkedin</a> <br><a href="http://www.villagepowerdesign.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.villagepowerdesign.com</a><br>cell
- </span></font><span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content"><font color="#505050"><span style="color:rgb(80,80,80)">413-559-9763</span></font></span><font color="#505050"><span style="color:rgb(80,80,80)"><br><span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br>Jeff
Clearwater wrote on 7/26/19 6:32 AM:<br><br></span></font></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0.5in"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Thanks Ray and Jerry,<br><br>Great
to hear from you both with your years of combined experience :)</span></font></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">So yes looking at the 5 sec has me switching
back to a trusty Radian - <u>even then from what you are saying it may
not work.</u></span></b><br><br>And you are right Ray - Outback is
careful to rate the "overload capability" in KVA rather than KW due most
likely to voltage sag of course.<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">So this 53 LRA 2 HP motor - if I can only trust
the 5 second (50 A) might not start - especially with other loads on
the system?</span></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">RADIAN
SURGE RATINGS:</span></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Maximum
Output Current</span></b> <br>1 ms peak 100 Amps AC at 240 VAC, 200
Amps AC at 120 VAC<br>100 ms RMS 70.7 Amps AC at 240 VAC<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Overload Capability</span></b><br>100 ms surge
16.97 kVa<br>5 seconds 12 kVa<br>30 minute 9 kVa<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Other's experience with 2 HP sewage pump or
well pump motors on a Radian?<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff</span></b><br><br><br>Ray
wrote on 7/25/19 5:48 PM:<br><br></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt">I only look at
the 5 sec and 30 sec surge
ratings to get an idea what an inverter can really do in the real
world. All those millisecond ratings/ in rush current specs won't get a
pump or motor started, and will basically just get you into trouble.
The reason they have those ratings in amps and not watts, is that the
voltage craters during that 100mS surge.</span></font></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt">I can't tell you how many times we tried to
start a pump, compressor, or large table saw, and the inverter just shut
off, even though the "in rush current" was within the theoretical
inverter capacity. Actual Wrench list testimonials are much more
valuable than those arcane specs.</span></font></p><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt">Ray Walters</span></font></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt">Remote Solar</span></font></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt">303 505-8760</span></font></pre><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt">On 7/25/19
5:15 PM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:</span></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0.5in"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Hey There Wrenches,</span></font></b><br><br>So
be advised that after a little research the SW dual stack will NOT
double the surge ratings of a single SW.<br><br>But that brings me to my
second question:<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold"><br>What inverter
surge rating should one refer to when looking at maximum Inrush or LRA -
1ms? 100ms? 1 sec?</span></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Your engineering wisdom welcomed!</span></b><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br><br>Jeff
Clearwater wrote on 7/23/19 8:27 PM:<br><br></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks
for the tip! I'll check the firmware.<br><br>Dave Angelini Offgrid
Solar wrote on 7/22/19 9:11 AM:<br><br></span></font></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Jeff,</span></font></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt">I am not going
to guess if this will work, it
should. I use XW's because they start anything I have come across.</span></font></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt">If you do this, make sure but SW's have the
latest and same firmware. There were problems with stacked SW's early on
in their development.</span></font></p><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar</span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">"we go where powerlines don't"</span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/</a></span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">e-mail <a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">offgridsolar@sti.net</a></span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">text 209 813 0060</span></font></b></strong></pre><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt">On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:26:07 -0700, Jeff
Clearwater <a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com></a>
wrote:</span></font></p><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid rgb(16,16,255);padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hey
Esteemed Wrenches,<br><br>So I recently built a power trailer with a
single 4 KW (4048) Schneider SW for a client with a moderate cabin
lifestyle.<br><br>But he lives on a high hill and even though his 2 HP
Macerator is only rated at 15 amps continuous that baby starts up with a
whopping kick - probably close to or at it's 53 Amps Locked Rotor
rating.<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">The SW has the
following surge capability:</span></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">SW 4048 Rated @ 240 Volts:</span></b><br>Continuous
<span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">- 15.2</span>
Amps 3700 Watts<br><span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">30 Minutes - 18.3</span>
Amps 4400
Watts<br><span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">5
Secs</span> - 29.2
Amps 7000 Watts<br><span class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">Max (100ms?) -
41</span> Amps - 9840 Watts<br><br>Can I be confidant that 2 stacked
SWs will start this baby?<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Any
experience with similar macerators - or simply educated guesses?<br></span></b><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff</span></font></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11pt">-- </span></font></p><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></font></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="3" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar</span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="3" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Courier New"">"we go where powerlines don't"</span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:0.5in"><strong><b><font size="3" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a 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