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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span>Hey Dave,<br>
<br>
Okay I'm hearing you now after you said it twice! :) So let's compare
Radian and XW:<br>
<br>
Radian:<br>
<br>
Continuous - 33.3 Amps - 8000 Watts<br>
30minute - 9 kVA - 37.5 Amps<br>
5 Secs - 12 KVA - 50 Amps<br>
100 mS RMS - 16.97 kVA - 70.7 AMPs<br>
1 mS Peak - 100 Amps<br>
<br>
XW: <br>
</span><br>
<span>Continuous <span style="display: inline; font-size: inherit;
padding: 0px;" class="__postbox-detected-content
__postbox-detected-date"
__postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-date">- 28</span> Amps
6800 Watts<br>
<span style="display: inline; font-size: inherit; padding: 0px; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="__postbox-detected-content
__postbox-detected-date"
__postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-date">30 Minutes - 35</span>
Amps 8500 Watts<br>
<span style="display: inline; font-size: inherit; padding: 0px; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="__postbox-detected-content
__postbox-detected-date"
__postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-date">5 Minutes - 45.8</span>
Amps 11,000 Watts<br>
<span style="display: inline; font-size: inherit; padding: 0px; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="__postbox-detected-content
__postbox-detected-date"
__postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-date">60 Secs - 52</span>
Amps - 12000 Watts<br>
<span style="display: inline; font-size: inherit; padding: 0px; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="__postbox-detected-content
__postbox-detected-date"
__postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-date">5 Secs</span> - ?<br>
1 Sec - ?<br>
100 ms - ?<br>
<br>
So I'm not seeing it from these figures - but I don't have the 5 Secs
and smaller. Do Schneider and Radian offer curves for this perhaps?<br>
<br>
Anyone else want to chime in on real field experience comparisons?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote on 7/29/19 9:01 AM:</span><br>
<br>
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<p>This is why I use the XW! They start just about anything and they
are one 6.8KW inverter, not multiple like the Radian. I do like the
radian and use it. For large motors, XW is hard to beat. The battery
needs to be at least 800 AH for this large motor app.</p>
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<p>On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:49:39 -0700, Jeff Clearwater
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com"><jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com></a> wrote:</p>
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<!-- meta ignored --><span>Hi Chris,<br> <br> Thanks so much for the
reference. I still am at an impasse. I have an unhappy customer and
want to proceed cautiously - Tech support at Radian will only promise
1/2hp per 4 KW radian module - so only 1.5 HP for an 8048 - It's a 2 HP
but as you know HP is not a definitive determinant - field experience
shows we can do more but it depends on the situation. I asked Outback
engineers if they could work with me in taking field data like inrush
etc to determine more exactly. This particular sewage macerator has
high head.<br> <br> I called the control panel manufacturer for the
sewage pump (attached) and they said they couldn't add soft start to a
single phase unit. Internet research shows you can't do much with
single phase with the standard VFD (variable frequency drive) but there
are other electronic approaches but I'm not sure they will work with the
existing control panel.<br> <br> Anyone else with experience that might
be relevant? Thanks!<br> <br> And thanks again Chris I will make that
call - Thanks!<br> <br> Jeff<br> <br> Chris Schaefer wrote on 7/29/19
8:39 AM:</span><br> <br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px
solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%"><!-- meta ignored -->
<div dir="ltr">I've been following this post with great interest. I was
looking at an off-grid project a couple years back that was being run
entirely by large diesel generators and had two massive AC units where
the LRA was 104 Amps. I found a company that makes what amounts to a
soft start. I don't recall the engineer/owners name but he was very
knowledgeable. His number is 813-601-0947 and web site is <a
href="http://gen-pro.biz" moz-do-not-send="true">gen-pro.biz</a>. To
finish the client never made the switch from generator to solar so I
can't say if these units work. Hope this provides another option.
<div> </div>
<div>Sincerely,</div>
<div>Christopher</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 4:15 PM Jeff
Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><span>Hey
Jerry,<br> <br> I think the issue is capacitor start motors can't handle
VFDs. but there are other approaches to soft start - still learning.
Thanks for the reference!<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> Jeff<br> <br> Jerry
Shafer wrote on 7/26/19 12:59 PM:</span><br> <br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px
solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%"><div dir="auto">Wrenches
<div dir="auto">I have quite a few freq drives on single phase, the
controller came from ABB, the pic attached is reference only, it was for
a AC chiller grid connected not off grid but the controller works
either way </div>
<div dir="auto">Jerry</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 12:47 PM Jeff
Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><span>Thanks Chris!<br> <br> Unfortunately I'm finding that unless
you build an integrated control - motor combo that can soft start like
Franklin did - the majority of single phase motors can't use soft
start. That is probably a 3-phase motor in that pump that they have an
inverter for in the controls - or they used a shaded pole or spit
capacitor single phase motor which can use soft start - at least that is
what my initial research and phone call to the pump control company has
thus far revealed.<br> <br> Apparently you can play with the
voltage-amperage tradeoffs when you have the 3 magnetic fields
interaction - single phase doesn't allow you much room to wiggle.<br> <br>
I do see single phase soft-starts on the market - still researching but
that's my initial findings.<br> <br> Anyone know differently?<br> <br>
Thanks!<br> <br> Jeff<br> <br> <br> <br> <a
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:chris@OasisMontana.com" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@OasisMontana.com</a>
wrote on 7/26/19 9:27 AM:</span><br> <br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px
solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%">
<div
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri;
font-size: medium;"><span>Here at the Oasis home/office, we have a <span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461SpellE">Goulds</span>
3 hp 240VAC soft start pump (#18GS30, w/ Franklin motor HS09970 and
#3AS30 <span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461SpellE">Aquavar</span>
Solo controller); it's been running off of my 2011 Radian GS8048 since
2016, when I had to drill a new well (the water table is dropping) and
pump from about 300 ft. depth.<span> </span>I have 3500 ft. of drip
irrigation, a big garden and the usual domestic water loads.<span> </span>It's
worked flawlessly since its inception, and I cannot speak more highly
of <span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461SpellE">Goulds</span>
pumps.<span> </span>My first one lasted 23 years (it was a 1.5HP
model).<span> </span></span></span></p>
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font-size: medium;"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri;
font-size: medium;"><span>Best,</span></span></p>
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font-size: medium;"><span> </span></span></p>
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font-size: medium;"><span>Chris Daum</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri;
font-size: medium;"><span>Oasis Montana Inc.</span></span></p>
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#0563c1;">www.oasismontana.com</span></span></a> </span></span><span
style="color: black; font-size: medium;"><span></span></span></p>
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font-size: small;"><span> </span></span></p>
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style="color: black;"><span> RE-wrenches <a
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Dana<br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, July 26, 2019
9:34 AM<br><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></strong>
'Jeff Clearwater' <a
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style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Soft Start Modules for Well and Sewage Pumps?</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Century
Gothic'; font-size: large;"><span>Yes I have used soft starts offgrid
with SW & VFX for 15+ years, in spite of doing load evaluations
& others installing what ever they normally used. It has been a
great rescue device. Well pump, 2 dish washers, booster pump, etc.</span></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></span></strong><span
style="color: black;"><span style="color: windowtext;"> RE-wrenches
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moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Jeff
Clearwater<br><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></strong>
Friday, July 26, 2019 8:04 AM<br><strong><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></strong> RE-wrenches <<a
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style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></strong> [RE-wrenches] Soft
Start Modules for Well and Sewage Pumps?</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color:
black; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size:
11pt;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color:
black; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size:
11pt;">Hey Wrenches,<br><br>Anyone have success using soft-start modules
on well and sewage pumps to lower the surge for off-grid inverters?<br><br>The
baby we are trying to tame is a 2 HP 15 amp, 53 LRA Omnivore Grinder
Pump - LSG200 series - single phase 230 Vac.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br>~~~~~~~~~~~</span></span></p>
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black; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size:
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style="color: #505050;"><span style="color: #505050;"><br><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt;
margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>Jeff Clearwater
wrote on 7/26/19 6:32 AM:<br><br></span></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt;
margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><span style="color: black; font-family:
Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight:
bold;">Thanks Ray and Jerry,<br><br>Great to hear from you both with
your years of combined experience :)</span></span></strong><br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">So yes looking at the 5 sec has me switching
back to a trusty Radian - <span style="text-decoration: underline;">even
then from what you are saying it may not work.</span></span></strong><br><br>And
you are right Ray - Outback is careful to rate the "overload
capability" in KVA rather than KW due most likely to voltage sag of
course.<br><br><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">So this 53 LRA 2
HP motor - if I can only trust the 5 second (50 A) might not start -
especially with other loads on the system?</span></strong><br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">RADIAN SURGE RATINGS:</span></strong><br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Maximum Output Current</span></strong> <br>1
ms peak 100 Amps AC at 240 VAC, 200 Amps AC at 120 VAC<br>100 ms RMS
70.7 Amps AC at 240 VAC<br><br><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Overload
Capability</span></strong><br>100 ms surge 16.97 kVa<br>5 seconds 12
kVa<br>30 minute 9 kVa<br><br><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Other's
experience with 2 HP sewage pump or well pump motors on a Radian?<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff</span></strong><br><br><br>Ray
wrote on 7/25/19 5:48 PM:<br><br></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I only look at the 5
sec and 30 sec surge ratings to get an idea what an inverter can really
do in the real world. All those millisecond ratings/ in rush current
specs won't get a pump or motor started, and will basically just get you
into trouble. The reason they have those ratings in amps and not
watts, is that the voltage craters during that 100mS surge.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I can't tell you how
many times we tried to start a pump, compressor, or large table saw, and
the inverter just shut off, even though the "in rush current" was
within the theoretical inverter capacity. Actual Wrench list
testimonials are much more valuable than those arcane specs.</span></span></p>
<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size:
small;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Ray Walters</span></span><span
style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: small;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Remote Solar</span></span><span style="color:
black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: small;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">303 505-8760</span></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color:
black; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size:
11pt;">On 7/25/19 5:15 PM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:</span></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt;
margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><span style="color: black; font-family:
Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight:
bold;">Hey There Wrenches,</span></span></strong><br><br>So be advised
that after a little research the SW dual stack will NOT double the surge
ratings of a single SW.<br><br>But that brings me to my second
question:<br><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br>What inverter
surge rating should one refer to when looking at maximum Inrush or LRA -
1ms? 100ms? 1 sec?</span></strong><br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Your engineering wisdom welcomed!</span></strong><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br><br>Jeff
Clearwater wrote on 7/23/19 8:27 PM:<br><br></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt;
margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Thanks for the tip!
I'll check the firmware.<br><br>Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote on
7/22/19 9:11 AM:<br><br></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Jeff,</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I am not going to
guess if this will work, it should. I use XW's because they start
anything I have come across.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">If you do this, make
sure but SW's have the latest and same firmware. There were problems
with stacked SW's early on in their development.</span></span></p>
<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><strong><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar</span></span></strong></strong></pre>
<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><strong><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"we go where powerlines don't"</span></span></strong></strong></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><strong><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">text 209 813 0060</span></span></strong></strong></pre>
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font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">On Mon, 22 Jul 2019
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font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hey Esteemed Wrenches,<br><br>So
I recently built a power trailer with a single 4 KW (4048) Schneider SW
for a client with a moderate cabin lifestyle.<br><br>But he lives on a
high hill and even though his 2 HP Macerator is only rated at 15 amps
continuous that baby starts up with a whopping kick - probably close to
or at it's 53 Amps Locked Rotor rating.<br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">The SW has the following surge capability:</span></strong><br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">SW 4048 Rated @ 240 Volts:</span></strong><br>Continuous
<span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">-
15.2</span> Amps 3700 Watts<br><span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">30
Minutes - 18.3</span> Amps 4400 Watts<br><span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">5
Secs</span> - 29.2 Amps 7000 Watts<br><span
class="gmail-m_-8117763466957678007m_-1621553450961946461postbox-detected-content">Max
(100ms?) - 41</span> Amps - 9840 Watts<br><br>Can I be confidant that 2
stacked SWs will start this baby?<br><br><strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Any experience with similar macerators - or
simply educated guesses?<br></span></strong><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff</span></span></p></blockquote>
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<pre style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><strong><span style="color: black; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">"we go where powerlines don't"</span></span></strong></strong></pre>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color:
#1f497d;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Chris Schaefer's<br></span></span><a
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name="image.png" height="40" width="200"></a><br><em><span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span
style="font-size: 9pt;">Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 </span><span
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12.8px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="color: #1f497d;"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">5115 South Hill Road ~
Canandaigua New York 14424<br></span></span></span></em><em
style="font-size: 12.8px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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style="color: blue;">www.solarandwindfx.com</span></a> ~ E-mail: <span
style="color: blue;"><a href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com"
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black;">Thomas Jefferson, the
author of our great Constitution, once said, "democracy" will cease to
exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to
those who would not."</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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