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</head><body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span>Thanks Chris!<br>
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Unfortunately I'm finding that unless you build an integrated control -
motor combo that can soft start like Franklin did - the majority of
single phase motors can't use soft start. That is probably a 3-phase
motor in that pump that they have an inverter for in the controls - or
they used a shaded pole or spit capacitor single phase motor which can
use soft start - at least that is what my initial research and phone
call to the pump control company has thus far revealed.<br>
<br>
Apparently you can play with the voltage-amperage tradeoffs when you
have the 3 magnetic fields interaction - single phase doesn't allow you
much room to wiggle.<br>
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I do see single phase soft-starts on the market - still researching but
that's my initial findings.<br>
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Anyone know differently?<br>
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Thanks!<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chris@OasisMontana.com">chris@OasisMontana.com</a> wrote on 7/26/19 9:27 AM:</span><br>
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have a <span class="SpellE">Goulds</span> 3 hp 240VAC soft start pump
(#18GS30, w/ Franklin motor HS09970 and #3AS30 <span class="SpellE">Aquavar</span>
Solo controller); it\u2019s been running off of my 2011 Radian GS8048 since
2016, when I had to drill a new well (the water table is dropping) and
pump from about 300 ft. depth.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I
have 3500 ft. of drip irrigation, a big garden and the usual domestic
water loads.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>It\u2019s worked
flawlessly since its inception, and I cannot speak more highly of <span
class="SpellE">Goulds</span> pumps.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>My
first one lasted 23 years (it was a 1.5HP model).<span
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color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
color="black"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";color:windowtext"> RE-wrenches
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org></a> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Dana<br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 26, 2019 9:34 AM<br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Jeff Clearwater'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com"><jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com></a>; 'RE-wrenches'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Soft
Start Modules for Well and Sewage Pumps?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p
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class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Century Gothic" color="black"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif">Yes I have used soft starts offgrid with SW
& VFX for 15+ years, in spite of doing load evaluations & others
installing what ever they normally used. It has been a great rescue
device. Well pump, 2 dish washers, booster pump, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeff
Clearwater<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday,
July 26, 2019 8:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
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style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [RE-wrenches] Soft Start
Modules for Well and Sewage Pumps?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p
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face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hey
Wrenches,<br><br>Anyone have success using soft-start modules on well
and sewage pumps to lower the surge for off-grid inverters?<br><br>The
baby we are trying to tame is a 2 HP 15 amp, 53 LRA Omnivore Grinder
Pump - LSG200 series - single phase 230 Vac.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br>~~~~~~~~~~~<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p
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face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jeff
Clearwater<br>Village Power Design<br><a
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color="#505050"><span style="color:#505050">413-559-9763</span></font></span><font
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class="postbox-detected-content">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><font
size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>Jeff
Clearwater wrote on 7/26/19 6:32 AM:<br
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style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><blockquote
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size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">Thanks Ray and Jerry,<br><br>Great
to hear from you both with your years of combined experience :)</span></font></b><br><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">So yes looking at the 5 sec has me switching
back to a trusty Radian - <u>even then from what you are saying it may
not work.</u></span></b><br><br>And you are right Ray - Outback is
careful to rate the "overload capability" in KVA rather than KW due most
likely to voltage sag of course.<br><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">So this 53 LRA 2 HP motor - if I can only trust
the 5 second (50 A) might not start - especially with other loads on
the system?</span></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">RADIAN
SURGE RATINGS:</span></b><br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Maximum
Output Current</span></b> <br>1 ms peak 100 Amps AC at 240 VAC, 200
Amps AC at 120 VAC<br>100 ms RMS 70.7 Amps AC at 240 VAC<br><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Overload Capability</span></b><br>100 ms surge
16.97 kVa<br>5 seconds 12 kVa<br>30 minute 9 kVa<br><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Other's experience with 2 HP sewage pump or
well pump motors on a Radian?<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff</span></b><br><br><br>Ray
wrote on 7/25/19 5:48 PM:<br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br
style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote
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style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I only look at the 5 sec and 30 sec surge
ratings to get an idea what an inverter can really do in the real
world. All those millisecond ratings/ in rush current specs won't get a
pump or motor started, and will basically just get you into trouble.
The reason they have those ratings in amps and not watts, is that the
voltage craters during that 100mS surge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I can't tell you how many times we tried to
start a pump, compressor, or large table saw, and the inverter just shut
off, even though the "in rush current" was within the theoretical
inverter capacity. Actual Wrench list testimonials are much more
valuable than those arcane specs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Remote Solar<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">303 505-8760<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><div><p
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face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 7/25/19
5:15 PM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><b><font
size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">Hey There Wrenches,</span></font></b><br><br>So
be advised that after a little research the SW dual stack will NOT
double the surge ratings of a single SW.<br><br>But that brings me to my
second question:<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold"><br>What inverter
surge rating should one refer to when looking at maximum Inrush or LRA -
1ms? 100ms? 1 sec?</span></b><br><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Your engineering wisdom welcomed!</span></b><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br><br>Jeff
Clearwater wrote on 7/23/19 8:27 PM:<br
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size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks
for the tip! I'll check the firmware.<br><br>Dave Angelini Offgrid
Solar wrote on 7/22/19 9:11 AM:<br
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I am not going to guess if this will work, it
should. I use XW's because they start anything I have come across.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">If you do this, make sure but SW's have the
latest and same firmware. There were problems with stacked SW's early on
in their development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">"we go where powerlines don't"<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">e-mail <a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" moz-do-not-send="true">offgridsolar@sti.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></strong></pre><pre style="margin-left:.5in"><strong><b><font size="2" face="Courier New" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">text 209 813 0060</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></pre><p
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style="font-size:11.0pt">On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:26:07 -0700, Jeff
Clearwater <a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><blockquote
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size="2" face="Calibri" color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hey
Esteemed Wrenches,<br><br>So I recently built a power trailer with a
single 4 KW (4048) Schneider SW for a client with a moderate cabin
lifestyle.<br><br>But he lives on a high hill and even though his 2 HP
Macerator is only rated at 15 amps continuous that baby starts up with a
whopping kick - probably close to or at it's 53 Amps Locked Rotor
rating.<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">The SW has the
following surge capability:</span></b><br><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold">SW 4048 Rated @ 240 Volts:</span></b><br>Continuous
<span class="postbox-detected-content">- 15.2</span> Amps 3700 Watts<br><span
class="postbox-detected-content">30 Minutes - 18.3</span> Amps 4400
Watts<br><span class="postbox-detected-content">5 Secs</span> - 29.2
Amps 7000 Watts<br><span class="postbox-detected-content">Max (100ms?) -
41</span> Amps - 9840 Watts<br><br>Can I be confidant that 2 stacked
SWs will start this baby?<br><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Any
experience with similar macerators - or simply educated guesses?<br></span></b><br>Thanks!<br><br>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></blockquote><div><p
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Change listserver email address & settings:
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List rules & etiquette:
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Check out or update participant bios:
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