<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">I get large 2 volt cells 230 to 250 pounds each and then connect them all together in a custom made case lined with glass board (shower stall liner)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Most of the places I have to put them you could not put in a steel cased battery it just would not be physically possible</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Picture 12 cells @ 230 # off the truck to the dock off the dock to the boat off the boat to the dock and up 16 steps that are 10 to 12\u201d tall then a run 100 yards uphill to the power building ?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Can\u2019t do any of that with a steel cased battery ! Can hardly do it with single sells.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I don\u2019t know if you can get HUPS uncased or not?</div><div dir="ltr"> Then assemble them on site ?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I don\u2019t generally put them directly on the floor, I want some space under them but the case bottom is well supported</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Just some thoughts</div><div dir="ltr">Bob ellison</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Apr 4, 2019, at 12:50 AM, William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366">Ray:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366">I am setting the batteries up off the floor for these reasons:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366">I am trying to gain maximum ventilation.</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366">I rarely spill electrolyte, but if I do, I don\u2019t want the steel cases sitting in it.</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366">I haven\u2019t figured out how to slide a 1700 pound battery across <u>anything</u>.</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366">With the proper arrangement of blocks, I can roll the tray right over them with a pallet jack and lower it gently onto the blocks.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366">Wiliam</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#993366"> </span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ray<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Supporting heavy flooded batteries</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p>I put Fiber Reinforced Panel directly on the floor, and slide the battery on that. Why are you setting them up off the floor? </p><pre>Ray Walters</pre><pre>Remote Solar</pre><pre>303 505-8760</pre><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 4/3/19 6:08 PM, William Miller wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jay:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Is this for one battery? I presume you crane the battery into the cart and then roll it into a battery box or enclosure\u2026</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I forgot to mention that steel is verboten unless it is lined with plastic.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">William</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Miller Solar</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">805-438-5600</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/">www.millersolar.com</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">CA Lic. 773985</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Quote of the day: \u201cIf there is a job you hate, get really, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">really good at it. Maybe you will hate it less.\u201c W. Miller</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> jay [mailto:<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> William Miller; RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Supporting heavy flooded batteries</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">HI William,</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Here is how I do big HUP type batteries.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Metal frame, and wheels. You can use either hi durometer synthetic or metal wheels.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This one the guy had powered coated</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jay</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Peltz Power</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><image001.jpg></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 3, 2019, at 3:05 PM, William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Friends:</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">For years we have been supporting large form-factor flooded battery trays by setting them on pressure treat 4X4s. We have developed a cradle we bolt onto a special-order, narrow pallet jack and roll them over the wood supports. It is not a seismic solution, but it works.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Just today I have learned that at least one large battery manufacturer is recommending against using any form of wood, apparently due to the potential for rot and/or conductive paths. I am told that the solution is steel racking with plastic covers over the steel. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">How are the rest of you supporting your large flooded batteries?</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks in advance,</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">William</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Miller Solar</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">805-438-5600</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/"><span style="color:purple">www.millersolar.com</span></a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">CA Lic. 773985</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance</pre><pre> </pre><pre>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a></pre><pre> </pre><pre>Change listserver email address & settings:</pre><pre><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a></pre><pre> </pre><pre>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a></pre><pre> </pre><pre>List rules & etiquette:</pre><pre><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a></pre><pre> </pre><pre>Check out or update participant bios:</pre><pre><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a></pre><pre> </pre></blockquote></div>
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