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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D'>Jay, thanks for your response. Do you have or anyone close, actual experience with <span class=SpellE>Hober</span>? <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>At 230 ft, plus as Dan suggested, we have to add the head to the storage tank. At that depth <span class=SpellE>ShurFlo</span> would run through diaphragms quickly and in a place where a bicycle represents middle class, that cost could be unsustainable. Centrifugal pumps really bog down at that depth, even from 270 gals per day it\u2019s going to take quite a few watts to spin water to the surface. It\u2019s not obvious that <span class=SpellE>Hober</span> <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>has pump curves available on their website, and very little about their pumps. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D'>Again thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Bill Dorsett<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#76923C;mso-no-proof:yes'>\u201cStart where you are. Use what you have. 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It\u2019ll break, they won\u2019t have parts and it\u2019ll never get rebuilt. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The Hober uses the most common international design which is a DC to AC 3phase variable speed pump controller, basically an inverter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>It then runs any 3 phase pump within its wattage parameters. These pumps are everywhere, cheap, pretty efficient and extremely reliable. There are many many of these inverters/controllers on the market. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>It is really hard to get good data on how to size the PV watts to pump watts using these inverters. Unlike a DC positive displacement pump which will still pump but more slowly if low DC input, the centrifugal pump\u2019s output drops off dramatically if you get below its operating window. And that window is dependant on the pump specs vs flow vs dynamic lift. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>So need more water, add more PV, double PV watts to running watts as a bare minimum. And specify a pump that is pumping in the bottom of the curve instead of near the top helps to allow it to produce better during lower PV watts input.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Peltz power<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Jan 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, William Dorsett <<a href="mailto:wmdorsett@sbcglobal.net">wmdorsett@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Happy New Year Wrenches</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> From a young lady who is trying to bring clean water to a village in Uganda:</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>\u201c This is Rosanna Bauman from Garnett. I'd talked to you about 2 years ago about solar pumps for our friends in Uganda. We installed the solar panels but are just now getting the money saved up for the well-drilling. We have clean water located 75 meteers below, no rock. Looking at a Shur-flo or a Hober. We can get the Hober shipped direct from China to Uganda DHL, plus it's about $200 less. However, we would like some advice as to their reliability. We want something reliable. </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Have any of your Solar Wrenches used or heard of this company? Looking at using a 3000 liter/day pump to pump 1,000 liters, since it will be directly tied to solar power, no battery back-ups.</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>You're welcome to call me if you have questions!</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Thanks!</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> Rosanna Bauman\u201d</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Thanks</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>for your thoughts</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Bill Dorsett</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#76923C'>\u201cStart where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can\u201d</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#76923C'>Arthur Ashe</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>1715 Leavenworth</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Manhattan, KS 66502</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="http://www.fhreec.org/"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>www.fhreec.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>785/539-1956 Office </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>785/564-2583 Cell</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="mailto:wmdorsett@cox.net"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>wmdorsett@cox.net</span></a></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>