<div><div dir="auto">Hi Guys. </div></div><div dir="auto">I have been testing pumps from China for about a year. I recently got a Hober that will pump 400 feet. It has a 3-phase brushless motor and a helical rotor. </div><div dir="auto">I will start testing it soon. It looks really good, as do the others I am testing. They are all excellent looking knockoffs of Grundfos and Lorentz. </div><div dir="auto">David Katz</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:06 AM William Dorsett <<a href="mailto:wmdorsett@sbcglobal.net">wmdorsett@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-9045019187684760271WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d">Jay, thanks for your response. Do you have or anyone close, actual experience with <span class="m_-9045019187684760271SpellE">Hober</span>? <span> </span>At 230 ft, plus as Dan suggested, we have to add the head to the storage tank. At that depth <span class="m_-9045019187684760271SpellE">ShurFlo</span> would run through diaphragms quickly and in a place where a bicycle represents middle class, that cost could be unsustainable. Centrifugal pumps really bog down at that depth, even from 270 gals per day it\u2019s going to take quite a few watts to spin water to the surface. It\u2019s not obvious that <span class="m_-9045019187684760271SpellE">Hober</span> <span> </span>has pump curves available on their website, and very little about their pumps. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d">Again thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Bill Dorsett<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><span> </span></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#76923c">\u201cStart where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can\u201d </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#76923c">Arthur Ashe</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#76923c"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">1715 Leavenworth<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Manhattan, KS<span> </span>66502<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.fhreec.org/" target="_blank">www.fhreec.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">785/539-1956<span> </span>Office <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">785/564-2583<span> </span>Cell<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:wmdorsett@cox.net" target="_blank">wmdorsett@cox.net</a><span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>jay<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Hober Pumps Reviews?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-9045019187684760271WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi William<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I would steer you way way clear from the Shurflo 9300. It\u2019ll break, they won\u2019t have parts and it\u2019ll never get rebuilt. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The Hober uses the most common international design which is a DC to AC 3phase variable speed pump controller, basically an inverter.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>It then runs any 3 phase pump within its wattage parameters. These pumps are everywhere, cheap, pretty efficient and extremely reliable. There are many many of these inverters/controllers on the market. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>It is really hard to get good data on how to size the PV watts to pump watts using these inverters. Unlike a DC positive displacement pump which will still pump but more slowly if low DC input, the centrifugal pump\u2019s output drops off dramatically if you get below its operating window. And that window is dependant on the pump specs vs flow vs dynamic lift. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>So need more water, add more PV, double PV watts to running watts as a bare minimum. And specify a pump that is pumping in the bottom of the curve instead of near the top helps to allow it to produce better during lower PV watts input.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Good luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jay<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Peltz power<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br><u></u><br><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Jan 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, William Dorsett <<a href="mailto:wmdorsett@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">wmdorsett@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d">Happy New Year Wrenches</span><span> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d"> From a young lady who is trying to bring clean water to a village in Uganda:</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> </span><span> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">\u201c This is Rosanna Bauman from Garnett. I'd talked to you about 2 years ago about solar pumps for our friends in Uganda. We installed the solar panels but are just now getting the money saved up for the well-drilling. We have clean water located 75 meteers below, no rock. Looking at a Shur-flo or a Hober. We can get the Hober shipped direct from China to Uganda DHL, plus it's about $200 less. However, we would like some advice as to their reliability. We want something reliable. </span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Have any of your Solar Wrenches used or heard of this company? Looking at using a 3000 liter/day pump to pump 1,000 liters, since it will be directly tied to solar power, no battery back-ups.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">You're welcome to call me if you have questions!</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Thanks!</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> Rosanna Bauman\u201d</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks</span><span> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1f497d">for your thoughts</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d">Bill Dorsett</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#76923c">\u201cStart where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can\u201d</span><span> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#76923c">Arthur Ashe</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d">1715 Leavenworth</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d">Manhattan, KS 66502</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="http://www.fhreec.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">www.fhreec.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d">785/539-1956 Office </span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d">785/564-2583 Cell</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="mailto:wmdorsett@cox.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">wmdorsett@cox.net</span></a></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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