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<p>Mick, <br>
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<p>While I fully agree on the importance of a monitor such as the
TriMetric, I'm confused by some of what you've written below. A
TriMet (or any similar monitor for LA) can measure amp-hours
removed and replaced, but it can't measure & display the
battery bank's amp-hour capacity. Only taking the time to drain
the bank at a measured rate will do that, and I have yet to have a
customer want to pay me to do a battery capacity test down to 1.75
vpc at the 20-hour rate - or any rate for that matter. The TriMet
is set up such that the installer tells the TriMet the battery
capacity. In a case such as this, what number would you program
into the TM as the amp-hour capacity? How would you determine this
value?</p>
<p>Thanks, Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>On 11/20/2018 11:28 PM, Mick Abraham
wrote:<br>
> Hello, Drake & All~<br>
><br>
> Drake described his service dilemma about batteries
bought elsewhere & whether to correct the original hinky
pack wiring (copied below). My reply below may seem cynical
& I may seem too eager to declare the existing battery
as: "Failed". Call me jaded.<br>
><br>
> Mick's $0.02 is: If there's no amp-hour monitor in the
system, I suggest you first try to persuade the homeowner to
buy a metering shunt & a modest amp-hour meter such as
the Tri-Metric--which could be used to measure & display
the battery bank's amp-hour capacity. If the client won't
approve that expenditure (& hourly labor for
explanations), the service tech is hamstrung. Nobody can
measure the health of a battery bank by just looking at it
or talking about it...and clients sometimes receive the
inevitable "battery bad news" if they are shown the
diminished capacity on a digital display after an equitably
managed "pump & dump".<br>
><br>
> Your thought, Drake, of holding back on any re-wiring
of the battery pack...seems prudent...until the first set of
amp-hour measurements are recorded as a baseline. From
there...a common pattern is a series of attempted
remediation efforts--all for pay, of course--until the
homeowner acknowledges that it's time to start afresh. <br>
><br>
> Oops, I left out an important step: getting a read on
whether the client has the money for new batteries or not.
I'm personally terrible at getting that reconnaissance done
early enough. If the client isn't materially blessed to be
able to get new batteries, they might be better off spending
limited funds on fuel for the engine generator instead of on
battery testing & tutorials.<br>
><br>
> Mick Abraham, Proprietor<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.abrahamsolar.com">www.abrahamsolar.com</a><br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: Drake
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org"><drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org></a><br>
> To: RE-wrenches
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br>
> Cc: <br>
> Bcc: <br>
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:41:17 -0500<br>
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Batt Cap AGM<br>
> Hello Wrenches,<br>
><br>
> An owner of an existing system has a bank of
twenty, 100 AH, 12 V Deep cycle batteries of the Batcap
brand.<br>
><br>
> The bank is made up of four sets of 5 batteries in
parallel to produce 500 AH battery sets at 12 V. These four
parallel sets are then wired in series to give a 48 V
nominal bank.<br>
><br>
> The battery voltages vary from around 13 to 15
volts. The bank is about 5 years old. The CEO of Batcap told
the system owner that these batteries have lasted up to 30
years in solar applications, so he has high expectations for
these batteries being around for a while.<br>
><br>
> My first impulse is to rewire the bank in a normal
series - parallel configuration. But there are too many
strings to do this without a bus bar. Besides, the batteries
are likely damaged, and rewiring them might cause the bank
to exhibit unsuspected problems. How much money is worth
putting into this bank? $0?<br>
><br>
> The owner seems like a reliable guy who likely
hired the wrong installer. He could use some help. What
would you do in this situation? Rewire the bank, leave it
well enough alone or run for the hills.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Drake <br>
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