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That being said, SMA is loosing a lot of sales by not having a split
phase Sunny Island on the market. It would be my unit of choice for many
application that I have gone with other brands. The price of a pair of
SIs is often just not competitive.<br><br>
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Tump - You are right about the large number of times that has been asked,
and I wish I had a happy answer.<br>
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However, with all the work on Sunny Boy Storage and Sunny Central Storage
(and even a Tripower storage), resources to develop and test a split
phase Sunny Island are not available. There is active work on
updating the communications to support SMA\u2019s Ethernet based
communications. Still, this may be months out.<br>
<br>
With the Smartformer being discontinued, the MidNite MNX-240 is the
recommended part to create 240 split phase from one Sunny Island.<br>
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I bet Mike could retire from the industry if he had a nickel for every
time he was asked for/about that. I\u2019ve asked Santa for years still
waiting. T<br>
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<dd>On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Chris Schaefer
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<dd> <br>
<dd>Hey Michael from SMA, any chance we can finally get an 240vac SI here
in the states?<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Christopher<br>
<dd> <br>
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<dd>Marco <<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I will need to ask for information about the BYD availability.
Once those units have all required listings/certifications and are
available in US, they should be ready to use with SBS. The CANBUS
comms to the BMS has already been vetted, and they are on the SMA
Approved battery list already. But I will get confirmation on the
immediate usability.<br>
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<dd>Mahalo Mike. <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Can you tell us please when the SS will actually be able to integrate
the BYD battery platform in the north American market? <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>marco <br><br>
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<dd>Marco and all yes that is the correct spec ssheet for the BYD
batteries that will work with Sunny Boy Storage.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>SMA strongly would recommend the Sunny Island for off-grid in general
and certainly whole home backup. See the attached from Home Power
April/May 2011; quad stack of SIs acting as UPS for the home just
charging batteries when grid is prresent, powering home with batteries/PV
when grid is gone. A dual split phase cluster is almost 24,000 W
continuous (!) capability and can handle crazy power factor loads with no
issues. Built in generator functions and two relay positions per
Sunny Island allow for lots of redundancy and fail-safe load shedding to
be built in.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>The Sunny Boy Storage (SBS) is designed to be a grid-tied inverter to
allow higher self consumption of local PV power. Even with the ABU
to allow off grid operation (grid forming on its AC outputs rather than
just on the dedicated 120VAC Secure Power Supply outlet), there can be a
several second delay in the switch from grid power to microgrid as the
ABU must signal the Sunny Boy Storage that it has disconnected from the
grid and that it is safe for the SBS to form a grid on its output
terminals. Also be aware that there is no master-slave
configuration ability with the SBS \u2013 they will always assume they are
acting independently on their energy meter input information. <br>
<dd> <br>
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<dd>Mike<br>
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DC<br>
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<dd>Sabaidee from Vientiane, Lao PDR.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Attached is the spec sheet on the BYD battery in question.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I\u2019ve confirmed with SMA directly that there\u2019s no capability for
the Sunny Storage design (S.S., ABU and battery) to use a generator
input. My apologies for mis-stating earlier that it could
accommodate a generator.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>As far as grid-tie with batteries, the Holy Grail as far as I\u2019m
concerned is being able to provide whole house back-up and not have to do
the old fashioned and pain in the arse critical load sub-panel. The
more choices that we\u2019re provided, the more better. So I\u2019m
pleased that companies like SMA, Ensync, SolarEdge and others are
bringing new equipment and designs to market to allow for whole house
back-up.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>marco<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>From:</b> RE-wrenches
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mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of
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<dd>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC v. higher voltage
DC<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>HI Harry,<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>The battery is charged from the AC side correct?<br>
<dd>And is the charging algorithm inside the ABU.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>If so why couldn\u2019t you use a generator to charge the battery?<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>jay<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>peltz power<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd>Marco <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>The Sunny Boy Storage \u201cAdvanced Backup Unit\u201d accessory or ABU
will be discussed at SPI in a couple weeks first units are being
stockeed now at our warehouses in US. The ABU will allow the SBS to
be a grid former in case of utility outage, however there are no plans to
have any generator inputs/controls to allow for battery charging from
generat<br>
<dd>And yes, BYD BBox HV 5.12/7.68/10.24 devices will be supported when
available in US (will be this year I understand)<br>
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<dd><pre>The SMA Sunny Storage looks
promising.</pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre> </pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>It will be able to work with the LGC RESU10 HV battery and,
sooner rather</pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>than later I hope, BYD package as
well.</pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre> </pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>And it will allow for a backup generator tie
in.</pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre> </pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>Ta-dah!</pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre> </pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>marco</pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre> </pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Bruce Erickson
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bruce at
mendocinosolar.com</a>></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font>
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<dd><pre>> Hi
Marco,</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> </i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> I partially agree with you. I recently bid Outback,
StorEdge, and
Pika</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> options for a GTBB customer, partly to understand pricing
for myself, and</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> found OB to be so much more expensive. The customer really
wanted a system</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> that would be to be able to charge the batteries off a
generator in an</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> outage, understandably. But the extra thousands in cost for
OB ended up</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> being prohibitive. Add-on rapid shutdown is a killer. So
he\u2019s opting for
a</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> nice modern high voltage DC system, with optimizers and
built-in RSD, but</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> when there\u2019s an extended outage, he\u2019ll have to hope the
sun comes out
right</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> after the storm to recharge the batteries, or he\u2019ll end
up in the dark</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> again, until the grid comes back. Maybe there\u2019s a high
voltage inverter</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> that allows generator charging, or a third-party battery
charger, that
I\u2019m</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> not aware of. Otherwise high voltage systems are very
limited for
backup,</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
<dd><pre>> at least in winter storm
scenarios.</i></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br>
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