<p>What about Canada and Mexico and others that need split phase? I have never thought of using anything but Outback or Schneider because they have been building equipment for this hemisphere for decades :) And everywhere else also!</p>
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<p>On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:07:13 +0000, Harry Mahon <Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That being said, SMA is loosing a lot of sales by not having a split phase Sunny Island on the market. It would be my unit of choice for many application that I have gone with other brands. The price of a pair of SIs is often just not competitive.<br /> <br /> At 12:25 AM 9/21/2018, you wrote:<br /> <br /> <!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Content-Language: en-US<br /> Content-Type: multipart/related;<br /> boundary="_010_DB7PR04MB4506FEAEB9C7C3E0387F51EFBB120DB7PR04MB4506eurp_";<br /> type="multipart/alternative"<br /> <br /> Tump - You are right about the large number of times that has been asked, and I wish I had a happy answer.<br /> <br /> However, with all the work on Sunny Boy Storage and Sunny Central Storage (and even a Tripower storage), resources to develop and test a split phase Sunny Island are not available. There is active work on updating the communications to support SMA’s Ethernet based communications. Still, this may be months out.<br /> <br /> With the Smartformer being discontinued, the MidNite MNX-240 is the recommended part to create 240 split phase from one Sunny Island.<br /> <br /> Best regards – <br /> Mike<br /> <br /> <br /> SMA America<br /> Michael Mahon<br /> Technical Trainer, Solar Academy<br /> 6020 West Oaks Boulevard, Suite 300<br /> Rocklin, CA 95765<br /> U.S.A.<br /> Mobile: +1 916 918 9412<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><br /> <a href="http://www.sma-america.com/">www.SMA-America.com</a><br /> <br /> </span>Solar Academy: <a href="http://www.sma-america.com/partners/sma-solar-academy/overview.html"> www.SMA-America.com/partners/sma-solar-academy/overview.html</a><br /> <br /> Full training schedule: <a href="https://www.sma-america.com/partners/sma-solar-academy/seminars/trainings/training/list.html"> https://www.sma-america.com/partners/sma-solar-academy/seminars/trainings/training/list.html</a> <br /> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/SMA-America/140290312717395"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><img id="_x0000_i1025" style="width: .1666in; height: .1666in;" src="cid:4b492d2e58addf0cbed2329e38eee3d8@sti.net" alt="http://sma-planet.sma.de/fileadmin/fm-dam/infos/social_media/fa" width="16" height="16" border="0" /></span></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/SMA_America"> <span style="text-decoration: none;"><img id="_x0000_i1026" style="width: .1666in; height: .1666in;" src="cid:ed113a6e00c88834b40d6c9bece43e8a@sti.net" alt="http://sma-planet.sma.de/fileadmin/fm-dam/infos/social_media/tw" width="16" height="16" border="0" /></span></a><a href="http://www.smainverted.com/"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><img id="_x0000_i1027" style="width: .1666in; height: .1666in;" src="cid:d59cd462ac42cb3b496bead95c2f388f@sti.net" alt="http://sma-planet.sma.de/fileadmin/fm-dam/infos/social_media/wo" width="16" height="16" border="0" /></span></a><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/364675"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><img id="_x0000_i1028" style="width: .1666in; height: .1666in;" src="cid:4638bfb73cdb0b452c5b3cb9456a6a29@sti.net" alt="Linkedin Logo" width="16" height="16" border="0" /></span></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL840A5336CAC32332"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><img id="_x0000_i1029" style="width: .1666in; height: .1666in;" src="cid:aa40244789993de0b33d61f7e57094cb@sti.net" alt="http://sma-planet.sma.de/fileadmin/fm-dam/infos/social_media/yo" width="16" height="16" border="0" /></span></a><a href="http://smaadvance.com/signup/"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><img id="_x0000_i1030" style="width: .1666in; height: .1666in;" src="cid:d962397c5d82beaafae001ae40b97313@sti.net" alt="SMAAFORUM_ICON" width="16" height="16" border="0" /></span></a><br /> <img id="_x0000_i1031" style="width: 5.8333in; height: 1.4166in;" src="cid:436ce90ea9c72d226840fb3265c7c29c@sti.net" alt="cid:image008.jpg@01D43B9E.70803930" width="560" height="136" border="0" /><br /> <br /> <br /> This email and any attachments thereto may contain SMA America, LLC confidential, privileged and private material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. Thank you.<br /> <br /> <strong>From:</strong> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Tump<br /> <strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:01 PM<br /> <strong>To:</strong> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br /> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC v. higher voltage DC<br /> <br /> I bet Mike could retire from the industry if he had a nickel for every time he was asked for/about that. I’ve asked Santa for years...... €¦ still waiting. T<!-- o ignored --></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Chris Schaefer <<a href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a> > wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">Hey Michael from SMA, any chance we can finally get an 240vac SI here in the states?<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Harry Mahon <<a href="mailto:Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com"> Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com</a>> wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">I will need to ask for information about the BYD availability. Once those units have all required listings/certifications and are available in US, they should be ready to use with SBS. The CANBUS comms to the BMS has already been vetted, and they are on the SMA Approved battery list already. But I will get confirmation on the immediate usability.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">On Monday, September 17, 2018, Harry Mahon <<a href="mailto:Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com"> Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com</a>> wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">Marco and all – yes that is the correct spec ssheet for the BYD batteries that will work with Sunny Boy Storage.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">SMA strongly would recommend the Sunny Island for off-grid in general and certainly whole home backup. See the attached from Home Power April/May 2011; quad stack of SIs acting as UPS for the home – just charging batteries when grid is prresent, powering home with batteries/PV when grid is gone. A dual split phase cluster is almost 24,000 W continuous (!) capability and can handle crazy power factor loads with no issues. Built in generator functions and two relay positions per Sunny Island allow for lots of redundancy and fail-safe load shedding to be built in.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">I’ve confirmed with SMA directly that there’s no capability for the Sunny Storage design (S.S., ABU and battery) to use a generator input. My apologies for mis-stating earlier that it could accommodate a generator.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">As far as grid-tie with batteries, the Holy Grail as far as I’m concerned is being able to provide whole house back-up and not have to do the old fashioned and pain in the arse critical load sub-panel. The more choices that we’re provided, the more better. So I’m pleased that companies like SMA, Ensync, SolarEdge and others are bringing new equipment and designs to market to allow for whole house back-up.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">From: RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"> mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of jay<!-- o ignored --></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 5:00 AM<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">HI Harry,<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">The battery is charged from the AC side correct?<!-- o ignored --></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">And is the charging algorithm inside the ABU.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">If so why couldn’t you use a generator to charge the battery?<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">jay<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:10 AM, Harry Mahon <<a href="mailto:Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com"> Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com</a>> wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">The Sunny Boy Storage “Advanced Backup Unit†accessory or ABU will be discussed at SPI in a couple weeks – first units are being stockeed now at our warehouses in US. The ABU will allow the SBS to be a grid former in case of utility outage, however there are no plans to have any generator inputs/controls to allow for battery charging from generat<!-- o ignored --></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">And yes, BYD BBox HV 5.12/7.68/10.24 devices will be supported when available in US (will be this year I understand)<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">The SMA Sunny Storage looks<!-- o ignored --></pre>
<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">promising.<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">It will be able to work with the LGC RESU10 HV battery and,<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">And it will allow for a backup generator tie<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Bruce Erickson<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;"><span class="MsoHyperlink"><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">mendocinosolar.com</a></span>><!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> I partially agree with you. I recently bid Outback,<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> found OB to be so much more expensive. The customer really<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> that would be to be able to charge the batteries off a<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> being prohibitive. Add-on rapid shutdown is a killer. So<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> nice modern high voltage DC system, with optimizers and<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> when there’s an extended outage, he’ll have to hope the<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> again, until the grid comes back. Maybe there’s a high<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> that allows generator charging, or a third-party battery<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left: .5in;">> not aware of. Otherwise high voltage systems are very<!-- o ignored --></pre>
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<pre><strong><span style="font-size: small;">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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