<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I bet Mike could retire from the industry if he had a nickel for every time he was asked for/about that. I\u2019ve asked Santa for years\u2026\u2026 still waiting. T<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Chris Schaefer <<a href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com" class="">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hey Michael from SMA, any chance we can finally get an 240vac SI here in the states?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Christopher</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Harry Mahon <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com" target="_blank" class="">Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_8222339867262352431WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Marco \u2013 <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I will need to ask for information about the BYD availability. Once those units have all required listings/certifications and are available in US, they should be ready to use with SBS. The CANBUS comms to the BMS has already been vetted,
and they are on the SMA Approved battery list already. But I will get confirmation on the immediate usability.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards \u2013 <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Mike<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">SMA America<br class="">
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Marco Mangelsdorf<br class="">
</span><b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018 10:20 PM</p><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC v. higher voltage DC<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Mahalo Mike. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Can you tell us please when the SS will actually be able to integrate the BYD battery platform in the north American market? <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">marco <br class="">
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On Monday, September 17, 2018, Harry Mahon <<a href="mailto:Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com" target="_blank" class="">Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com</a><wbr class="">> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Marco and all \u2013 yes that is the correct spec sheet for the BYD batteries that will work with Sunny Boy Storage.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">SMA strongly would recommend the Sunny Island for off-grid in general and certainly whole home backup. See the attached from Home Power April/May 2011; quad stack of SIs acting
as UPS for the home \u2013 just charging batteries when grid is present, powering home with batteries/PV when grid is gone. A dual split phase cluster is almost 24,000 W continuous (!) capability and can handle crazy power factor loads with no issues. Built in
generator functions and two relay positions per Sunny Island allow for lots of redundancy and fail-safe load shedding to be built in.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The Sunny Boy Storage (SBS) is designed to be a grid-tied inverter to allow higher self consumption of local PV power. Even with the ABU to allow off grid operation (grid forming
on its AC outputs rather than just on the dedicated 120VAC Secure Power Supply outlet), there can be a several second delay in the switch from grid power to microgrid as the ABU must signal the Sunny Boy Storage that it has disconnected from the grid and that
it is safe for the SBS to form a grid on its output terminals. Also be aware that there is no master-slave configuration ability with the SBS \u2013 they will always assume they are acting independently on their energy meter input information.
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards \u2013
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Marco Mangelsdorf<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:08 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> 'RE-wrenches' <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr class="">wrenches.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC v. higher voltage DC<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sabaidee from Vientiane, Lao PDR.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Attached is the spec sheet on the BYD battery in question.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I\u2019ve confirmed with SMA directly that there\u2019s no capability for the Sunny Storage design (S.S., ABU and battery) to use a generator input. My apologies for mis-stating earlier
that it could accommodate a generator.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">As far as grid-tie with batteries, the Holy Grail as far as I\u2019m concerned is being able to provide whole house back-up and not have to do the old fashioned and pain in the arse
critical load sub-panel. The more choices that we\u2019re provided, the more better. So I\u2019m pleased that companies like SMA, Ensync, SolarEdge and others are bringing new equipment and designs to market to allow for whole house back-up.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">marco<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>jay<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, September 15, 2018 5:00 AM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC v. higher voltage DC</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">HI Harry,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">The battery is charged from the AC side correct?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">And is the charging algorithm inside the ABU.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If so why couldn\u2019t you use a generator to charge the battery?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:10 AM, Harry Mahon <<a href="mailto:Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com" target="_blank" class="">Michael.Mahon@sma-america.com</a><wbr class="">> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">The Sunny Boy Storage \u201cAdvanced Backup Unit\u201d accessory or ABU will be discussed at SPI in a couple weeks \u2013 first units are being stocked now at our warehouses in US. The ABU will
allow the SBS to be a grid former in case of utility outage, however there are no plans to have any generator inputs/controls to allow for battery charging from generat<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">And yes, BYD BBox HV 5.12/7.68/10.24 devices will be supported when available in US (will be this year I understand)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<pre class="">The SMA Sunny Storage looks promising.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre class="">It will be able to work with the LGC RESU10 HV battery and, sooner rather<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">than later I hope, BYD package as well.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre class="">And it will allow for a backup generator tie in.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre class="">Ta-dah!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre class="">On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Bruce Erickson <<a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">bruce at mendocinosolar.com</span></a>><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre class="">><i class=""> I partially agree with you. I recently bid Outback, StorEdge, and Pika</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> options for a GTBB customer, partly to understand pricing for myself, and</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> found OB to be so much more expensive. The customer really wanted a system</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> that would be to be able to charge the batteries off a generator in an</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> outage, understandably. But the extra thousands in cost for OB ended up</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> being prohibitive. Add-on rapid shutdown is a killer. So he\u2019s opting for a</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> nice modern high voltage DC system, with optimizers and built-in RSD, but</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> when there\u2019s an extended outage, he\u2019ll have to hope the sun comes out right</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> after the storm to recharge the batteries, or he\u2019ll end up in the dark</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> again, until the grid comes back. Maybe there\u2019s a high voltage inverter</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> that allows generator charging, or a third-party battery charger, that I\u2019m</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> not aware of. Otherwise high voltage systems are very limited for backup,</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre class="">><i class=""> at least in winter storm scenarios.</i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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