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<p><font face="Verdana">We just <font face="Verdana">stru<font
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two OB RS Ra<font face="Verdana">dian systems. We did not
opt for the <font face="Verdana">"package" in<font
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battery boxes and use cost competitive
batteries based on the <font face="Verdana">customer's
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/2018 2:14 AM, Marco Mangelsdorf
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The SMA Sunny Storage looks promising.
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<div>It will be able to work with the LGC RESU10 HV battery and,
sooner rather than later I hope, BYD package as well. </div>
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<div>And it will allow for a backup generator tie in. </div>
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<div>Ta-dah!</div>
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<div>marco <br>
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On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Bruce Erickson <<a
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Marco,
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<div>I partially agree with you. I recently bid Outback,
StorEdge, and Pika options for a GTBB customer, partly to
understand pricing for myself, and found OB to be so much
more expensive. The customer really wanted a system that
would be to be able to charge the batteries off a
generator in an outage, understandably. But the extra
thousands in cost for OB ended up being prohibitive.
Add-on rapid shutdown is a killer. So he\u2019s opting for a
nice modern high voltage DC system, with optimizers and
built-in RSD, but when there\u2019s an extended outage, he\u2019ll
have to hope the sun comes out right after the storm to
recharge the batteries, or he\u2019ll end up in the dark again,
until the grid comes back. Maybe there\u2019s a high voltage
inverter that allows generator charging, or a third-party
battery charger, that I\u2019m not aware of. Otherwise high
voltage systems are very limited for backup, at least in
winter storm scenarios.</div>
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<div>On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf
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Roman',serif">Aloha all,</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif">At the risk of whacking at a
hornet\u2019s nest\u2026lower voltage DC is soooo 80s and
90s especially when it comes to grid-tie
applications with battery storage.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif">The time of OutBack and Schneider
and all the others doing 48VDC is drawing to
close. Enough already. Thank you for your
service.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif">The sooner the industry fully
migrates to higher voltage DC (Tesla, LG Chem,
BYD and others), the better.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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New Roman',serif"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>RE-wrenches
[<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Peter Giroux<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday,
September 12, 2018 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
[RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this
approach to adding battery backup to an
existing grid tie system will be
appreciated.</span></div>
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Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt">
We have had terrific success with AC
Coupling. Yes there are some differences
from Dc Coupled systems but if built
properly, customer is willing to learn how
to use it and maintain it and you put the
correct relays in to shut off the string
inverters if battery voltage gets to high,
great.</span></div>
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If you have a customer that refuses to
exercise the system, not check the batteries
if they are fla's and overloads it when the
power goes down then not so cool. We have
customers that power shave with it, have had
backup power for days until the power came
back on as they monitored the loads and were
judicious about use. Ray is right in the
sense the customer needs to learn how to use
the system or they can royally screw it up (
yes we have had two do this, one learned the
other not ).</span></div>
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Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt">
The Radians have been great work horses for
this application, sadly as Ray mentioned
Outback has moved away from it as a primary
solution.<span> </span></span></div>
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giroux</span></div>
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href="mailto:Ken@commonwealthsolar.com"
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title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RE-wrenches</a><span> </span>;<span> </span><a
href="mailto:cwsolar1@gmail.com"
title="cwsolar1@gmail.com"
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Ken
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Any thoughts on this approach to adding
battery backup to an existing grid tie
system will be appreciated.</span></div>
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