<p>R600 can be harder to service NA. A client bought a Korean brand (can't remember which one) last year and it had a leak. There was not any service for them in California and they gave him his money back.</p>
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<div>Blomberg appliances offer full size AC fridges using 1.2A for the smaller unit to 1.9A full size. Both have freezers. LED interior lightning and use R600 which is alcohol. My clients LOVE these units and my batteries based systems do too!
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<div>While I agree w/ the advice for most people to go conventional & AC, there is still a place for Sun Frost-like products. My SF RF-12 is still running from 1984, & a SunDanzer freezer for at least 10 years now. DC can still make sense in specific applications, & then, some of us still don't have an always-on inverter... ;-)</div>
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<div dir="auto">I know this isn't what Will is looking for, but just in case anyone still needs a 12/24vdc model frig, I got an ARB 60 qt at the beginning of the summer, and it's been a champ. Especially for mobile applications, it doesn't need to be level.
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<div dir="auto">Temp setable from zero up, I'm using it as a frig set at 33 degrees F. It's been in a hot van running all summer, using about 100 to 150 watthrs per day, less than rated, pulls about 3 amps at 12 volts. I tested out deep freeze mode and it was closer to 400 wh/day, but starting with hot water and freezing it solid. I really like the design of the ARB too. It's got good dimensions for food and beverages. 90 beers! </div>
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<div dir="auto">I've got a 24v Novakool at home that's been running solid for about 15 years. But when it putters off for good I'm replacing it with an ARB...</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">After 10+ years my Wife is finally sick of our Sunfrost RF-12. We'd like to upgrade to something a little more modern that doesn't leak water all over the floor when it's humid<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<pre><strong><span style="font-size: small;">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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