<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Amazing what the difference of $10.00 a watt to a $1.00 a watt for panels makes in the design !</div><div>Still don\u2019t like poking holes in a perfectly good roof !</div><div><br></div><div>Just another set of random thoughts,</div><div>Bob Ellison</div><div><br>On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:12 AM, Ray <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>Allan;</p>
<p>That's the same math I've done, and tracking off grid just
doesn't pencil much of the time There is software that can model
tracking vs fixed. If you run these calcs and pay attention to the
critical winter months, its just not there. Also even when
tracking might be a consideration, most people do not have a dawn
to dusk perfect solar window, so shading starts reducing the
benefits as well. I found it hard enough to not shade a fixed
array, so tracking is certainly not adding much in a tight valley
with trees. <br>
</p>
<p> Its funny how my designs have shifted from tracking back in the
80s and 90s, to fixed pole mounts set due south with adjustable
tilt, to now I'm running PV Watts and seeing that roof mounts at
imperfect tilt and azimuth can still have the most energy for the
money: Just add more modules.<br>
</p>
<p>That's funny too, because if you had shown me a roof array like
that 20 years ago, I would have been poo pooing it for
days.(That's not even close to south!!...) Our racking and
tracking choices have changed significantly now that PV is under
$1/ watt. <br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/6/18 9:06 PM, Allan Sindelar
wrote:<br>
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<div>What am I missing here, Bill? If the tracker costs $10,000
(plus installation) to carry 24 modules, that's $416 per module,
which is more than the cost of the modules themselves. I don't
get the point of doing this. It almost sounds like consumer
vanity - "<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
0);">Folks do like to watch the slow dance of the modules".</span> </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">How can tracking be justified?</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Allan Sindelar
<div>Sindelar Solar<br>
<div>505 780-2738</div>
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<div><br>
On Sep 6, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Bill Hennessy <<a href="mailto:bill@berkssolar.com" moz-do-not-send="true">bill@berkssolar.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15078"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15103">Chris--</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15104"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15105"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153">We installed
two 24-module AllEarth dual-axis trackers at the request
of a homeowner two years ago--"I like companies that are
from Vermont."</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_16604"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153">inspite of a
higher cost as compared to a ground mount equivalent w
Krinner groundscrews.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_17252"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_17395"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153">You can buy
either the tracker alone or complete kits. The 24-module
tracker is about $10,000. The concrete base was fairly
easy to install. I think the hole was 4x4x4 with rebar
crosshatch. The frame is assembled on the ground and
lifted to the pole (you need about a18-foot lift). Our
mini excavator was barely tall enough. We did the frame
layout and assembly on the excavator trailer and it
worked well. If you go to Vermont, they have a free
two-day training program where you assemble a tracker.<br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_16832"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_16925"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153">One of the
trackers had an early issue with a stuck hydraulic
valve. Warranty service was prompt and knowledgeable and
we haven't had issues since. We did have to upsize the
Fronius inverters. My design mistake. I typically
oversize the array to the inverter, but in the spring,
the arrays were always clipping. <br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_18659"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_18706"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15153">Folks do like
to watch the slow dance of the modules.<br>
</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_18293"><span></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_18760"> </div>
<div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15242">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536263145630_15241">Bill
Hennessy<br>
Berks Solar, LLC<br>
371 Centennial Rd<br>
Mertztown, PA 19539<br>
<br>
o 610 682 4300<br>
c 484 560 4666<br>
NABCEP certified installer<br>
PA contractor #44411<br>
<a href="http://www.berkssolar.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.berkssolar.com</a></div>
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"<a href="mailto:chris@oasismontana.com" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@OasisMontana.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:chris@oasismontana.com" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@OasisMontana.com</a>><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:37 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trackers<br>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi Folks:<span style=""> </span>I appreciate the
input but I am looking for TYPES of
trackers that you may be selling (and
yes, I told him about adding more &
cheaper solar modules than investing in
a tracker, but it\u2019s the customer\u2019s
decision).<span style=""> </span><span class="yiv8033290025SpellE">Zomeworks</span>
is not what the client wants; I would
prefer dual axis; the customer\u2019s in
north central CA with a good resource.<span style=""> </span>I say go with Array
Technologies but I would think there
must be something new and improved by
now.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">--Chris
Daum/Oasis Montana</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><b><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></font></b><span style=""> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Dana<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 6, 2018 9:18 AM<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
'RE-wrenches' <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[RE-wrenches] Trackers</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">I second
this observation.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">I now live
again off grid in a narrow N-S canyon
in south central Idaho. Having limited
ground space [thanks to county regs]
& not wanting roof mounted arrays
to have to clear snow from, trackers
VS. fix top of pole mounts enhance my
output & they reduced the # of
modules required for my homes
projected load design.</span></font></div>
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<ul style="margin-top:0in;" type="disc">
<li class="yiv8033290025MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:0in;"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">6400 watts
rated output on 2 Array Tech
tracking arrays. Fixed would have
required 3 arrays & 6-8 more
modules. Trackers are programed to
full vertical in winter to shed
overnight snow dumps, this saves
time & effort in the morning
when it\u2019s a Powder day! Can\u2019t miss
those Powder mornings. </span></font></li>
<li class="yiv8033290025MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:0in;"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">5400 watts
per hour in the summer when hot.</span></font></li>
<li class="yiv8033290025MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:0in;"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">Up to 8400
watts per hour on a cold winter day.
Exactly what I needed 31+%
additional output with a 4-hour
window of sun at New Year\u2019s Day. So
far, my generator has never started\u2026</span></font></li>
</ul>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">*A repeat
from a previous RE conversation years
ago, I had to see for myself &:</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">Last house
in CO, I had [6] 250-watt mod on a
tracker & [6] 250-watt mod on a
fixed roof array.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">The tracker
consistently outproduced the fixed
array by 32% averaged over the year.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">Trackers
have their place and advantages. That
said, with todays $/watt o modules if
you have the space fixed is a more
cost-effective way to proceed.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="4" color="black"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">Signed - A
25-year tracker advocate.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="#002060"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">----------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Dana
Orzel
Great Solar Works, Inc.</span></font><font face="Century Gothic" size="1" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> </span></font><font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><b><font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">C -
208.721.7003 <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" moz-do-not-send="true">dana@solarwork.com</a></span></font></b></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="1" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Idaho
Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV
# 028374</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal"><font face="Century Gothic" size="1" color="black"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">NABCEP #
051112-136 <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.solarwork.biz/" moz-do-not-send="true">www.solarwork.biz</a></span></font></div>
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Technologies for Responsible People
since 1988" </span></font></u></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><b><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold;">From:</span></font></b>
RE-wrenches <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Schaefer<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 06, 2018 8:27 AM<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
RE-wrenches <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [RE-wrenches] Trackers</div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">To All,</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Seen it
first hand with existing Northeast
offgrid clients that had old pole
mounts with lots of generator
usage during the winter months.
Added a single 12 module DAT and
generator usage was down to as
little as twice in the entire
winter. Others usage was down to
just a handful of times required
from genny. They are great at
shedding snow. Bottom line is
generator usage was cut in most
cases by 75% or better. I'm a
believer here in upstate NY.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Christopher</span></font></div>
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Jefferson, the author of our great
Constitution, once said,
"democracy" will cease to exist
when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to
those who would not."</span></font><font size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"></span></font></div>
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Sep 6, 2018 at 12:37 AM, Andrew
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guys are new but I've
heard good things: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.sulasindustries.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sulasindustries.com/</a></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Verdana" size="2" color="#444444"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">d: 202.486.7507</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#888888"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"></span></font></div>
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"Don't get me wrong:
I love nuclear
energy! It's just
that I prefer fusion
to fission. And it
just so happens that
there's an enormous
fusion reactor
safely banked a few
million miles from
us. It delivers more
than we could ever
use in just about 8
minutes. And it's
wireless!"<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:38 PM Sindelar Solar
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Allan@sindelarsolar.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>>
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<div style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">No, I'm with you on this.Given the the
greatest boost (~+/-
30%) of daily tracking
is during the summer
and most stand-alone
applications are
winter-peak (where
tracking adds at best
10-15%), seasonal
water pumping is about
the only time when
small-scale tracking
is justified over
simply adding array.
Any pumping where the
source is slow enough
that the length of the
day becomes an
important factor, like
drip irrigation or a
very low yield well or
spring, is worth
looking into. But
that's about it in my
experience. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><b><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold;">Allan
Sindelar</span></font></b><br clear="none">
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" moz-do-not-send="true">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a><br clear="none">
NABCEP Certified PV
Installation
Professional<br clear="none">
New Mexico EE98J
Journeyman Electrician<br clear="none">
Founder (Retired),
Positive Energy, Inc<span class="yiv8033290025m-4951966347317992251m204016623455697006grame">.</span><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">505
780-2738 cell</span></b></div>
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9/5/2018 5:53
PM, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:solar1online@charter.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:solar1online@charter.net" moz-do-not-send="true">solar1online@charter.net</a>
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<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I
thought since
solar PV
prices have
come down
(understatement),
is it not more
cost effective
to buy more
modules than a
tracker? Are
there
scenarios that
the above
would not ring
true? (As I
remember, off
grid water
pumping for
livestock
ponds may
still be an
exception as
also, limited
space.) Please
advise.</span></font></div>
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Loesch</span></font></div>
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1 - Saint
Louis Solar</span></font></div>
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people:</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv8033290025MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">What
trackers are <span class="yiv8033290025m-4951966347317992251m204016623455697006spelle">y\u2019all</span>
using
nowadays? I
have a
customer (with
a great site)
who\u2019s
insisting on a
pair. We\u2019ve
sold <span class="yiv8033290025m-4951966347317992251m204016623455697006spelle">Zomeworks</span>
and Array
Technologies
in the past,
but I know
there are more
offerings now.</span></font></div>
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for the input!</span></font></div>
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Daum</span></font></div>
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Montana Inc.</span></font></div>
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you take away from those
who are willing to work
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