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<p>I don't think its worth all that rewiring now to preserve an
imperfect battery design that's probably only going to last a few
more years anyway. Just use those batteries up, and come in with
a new single or double string of larger batteries.</p>
<p>I know all of us wrenches would like to see amp circulation
between strings with some scientific accuracy, but is that in the
customer's best interest? <br>
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<p>There will be troubleshooting with this design. Probably easier
to use it up and redesign. If my name was on the inheritance,</p>
<p>I would do it now or at the minimum fuse the strings. </p>
<p>On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:26:32 -0400, Chris Schaefer
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<div dir="ltr">And it's not a bad idea to add a shunt in each
string for trouble shooting down the road.
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Remember all the parallel strings take offs must be
the same size/length, otherwise you are going to
exacerbate imbalance issues. <br>
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<div dir="auto"> Its a good idea to think of
batteries the same way you do PV Modules. Any
time you have more then two strings they get
individual fuse protection, this is also good
for diagnoses purpuses too.</div>
<div dir="auto">The current installation has no
protection, safety and l would change it.</div>
<div dir="auto">As far as operation goes it
works but thats not a exceptable reason to
leave it that way is. </div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12.8px;
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the topic of bad battery practices...</span>
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<div style="font-size: 12.8px;
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fixing up a system that was both designed
and installed very poorly.</div>
<div style="font-size: 12.8px;
text-decoration-style: initial;
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a 24V Outback VFXR inverter, and ten 12V
AGM batteries wired into</div>
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parallel strings. I know that is a bad
idea, but since they already have the </div>
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are there any safety issues by re-using
this equipment? It is for a </div>
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battery backup system that will remain in
float most of the time. I assume </div>
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batteries will not last particularly long,
but is there any harm in using them</div>
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just getting new batteries once they fail?</div>
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<div style="font-size: 12.8px;
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is shown in the attached picture.</div>
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