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Something to look into perhaps.</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr">Mike Kocsmiersky</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr">Spirit Solar<br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8330" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8329" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8328" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org" <re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 8:57 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 11, Issue 197<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8327"><br><div dir="ltr">Send RE-wrenches mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8326" dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8332" dir="ltr"> <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8331" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529502536657_8333" dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-request@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-owner@lists.re-wrenches.org" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-owner@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-owner@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of RE-wrenches digest..."<br></div>When responding to posts within the Digest, be sure to restore the Subject: line to the original, and please edit out any extraneous lines from the quoted message.<br> Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Silicon energy (Solar)<br> 2. Low output (frenergy)<br> 3. Re: Low output (Dana)<br> 4. Re: Low output (Rick Brown)<br><div class="ymsg4921219042" id="ymsg07991" src="mid://AHeBsmhzFjmPWypPMwHUwObCUvY/4.1">Hello,<br><br>Silicon energy shuttered it\u2019s plant in MN a few years ago but when they opened the college I teach at purchased 32 modules. Well we had two from the first run delaminate this winter. They are on our dorm building. This is a shot in the dark, but any chance anyone has two of these sitting around? I can make the system work with 8 modules but I\u2019d rather just slide two in. I\u2019m guessing this is just going to keep happening. These modules are 6 or 7 years old. <br><br>Thanks <br><br>Jesse Dahl<br><br>NABCEP PV Installation Professional<br>IBEW Local 292 - Electrician <br>Electrical/Solar PV Instructor - HCC<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div class="ymsg4921219042" id="ymsg41079" src="mid://AHeBsmhzFjmPWypPMwHUwObCUvY/4.2">Off-gridders,<br><br> Small 24 volt off-grid install.....new installation, 3, 285 <br>watt PVs in series, 4, L-16's in series, Midnight "Kid" CC. Problem: I <br>cannot get more than about 200 watts (8-9 amps battery side) out of the <br>Kid display in full noon sun, clean PVs. Should be 700 watts plus and <br>about 28 amps. Bulk/Absorb set at 29V, battery voltage at ~25 V (pulled <br>down with a heat gun). I changed that Kid out for another new one> Same <br>issue! I disconnected the PV wires where they land in the Kid and got <br>9.3 amps short circuit, 105 volts oc Called Midnight tech support but <br>we couldn't come up with a good solution. Ideas?<br><br>Thx,<br><br>Bill<br><br>Feather River Solar Electric<br>Bill Battagin, Owner<br>4291 Nelson St.<br>Taylorsville, CA 95983<br>530.284.7849<br>CA Lic 874049<br>www.frenergy.net<br><br><br>---<br>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br><br><br><br><br></div><div class="ymsg4921219042" id="ymsg86588" src="mid://AHeBsmhzFjmPWypPMwHUwObCUvY/4.3"><div id="yiv8134390370"><style><!--
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--></style><div><div class="yiv8134390370WordSection1"><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Century Gothic", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;'>Try another brand of CC? </span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Century Gothic", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;'>I have had same issue /different manufacturer and had dead out of the box replacement & same issue with the replacement.</span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Century Gothic", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;'>Are there any adjustable potentiometers, I do not know this CC? </span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Century Gothic", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;'>I have recently had 2 trouble shoots [with old C-40s] that were low CC output & moved the pots higher & lower and voila the CC worked again. Very frustrating to say the least.</span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">C - 208.721.7003 dana@solarwork.com</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">\uf050 Please consider the environment before printing this email.</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of frenergy<br>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:53 PM<br>To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>Subject: [RE-wrenches] Low output</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Off-gridders,</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> Small 24 volt off-grid install.....new installation, 3, 285 watt PVs in series, 4, L-16's in series, Midnight "Kid" CC. Problem: I cannot get more than about 200 watts (8-9 amps battery side) out of the Kid display in full noon sun, clean PVs. Should be 700 watts plus and about 28 amps. Bulk/Absorb set at 29V, battery voltage at ~25 V (pulled down with a heat gun). I changed that Kid out for another new one> Same issue! I disconnected the PV wires where they land in the Kid and got</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">9.3 amps short circuit, 105 volts oc Called Midnight tech support but we couldn't come up with a good solution. Ideas?</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Thx,</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Bill</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Feather River Solar Electric</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Bill Battagin, Owner</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">4291 Nelson St.</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Taylorsville, CA 95983</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">530.284.7849</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">CA Lic 874049</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.frenergy.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">www.frenergy.net</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">---</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">_______________________________________________</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">List sponsored by Redwood Alliance</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Change listserver email address & settings:</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">List rules & etiquette:</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Check out or update participant bios:</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;">www.members.re-wrenches.org</span></a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="ymsg4921219042" id="ymsg67370" src="mid://AHeBsmhzFjmPWypPMwHUwObCUvY/4.4"><div id="yiv8134390370"><div>Do you have access to a Seaward PV tester? This would eliminate the array. <div><br></div><div>When landing your conductors in the Kid be sure to run individual negatives to their respective terminals. The manual highlights this. </div><div><br></div><div><img id="yiv8134390370DD4D172B-13B6-47AF-8816-20C7D55BE3DE" alt="image2.jpeg" src="cid:hHcxEWrcg2rDaMJ2X4xc" data-id="9d037266-66ba-c5fd-9350-dd3cab80545f" yahoo_partid="4.4.2.2"><br><br><div id="yiv8134390370AppleMailSignature"><span>rick brown<br>SolShine Energy Alternatives, LLC<br>Electrical & Solar Contracting Services<br><a dir="ltr" href="http://www.solshineenergyalternatives.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.SolShineEnergyAlternatives.com</a><br>Check, Virginia 24072<br><a dir="ltr" href="" rel="nofollow">540.808.9502</a><br><br>VA Class A Contractor Lic# 2705147660<br>VA Master Electrician Lic# 2710062762<br>VA Alternative Energy Systems Installer <br>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional 110112-21</span></div><div><br>On Jun 20, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Dana <<a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dana@solarwork.com">dana@solarwork.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><style><!--
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--></style><div class="yiv8134390370WordSection1"><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">Try another brand of CC? </span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">I have had same issue /different manufacturer and had dead out of the box replacement & same issue with the replacement.</span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">Are there any adjustable potentiometers, I do not know this CC? </span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">I have recently had 2 trouble shoots [with old C-40s] that were low CC output & moved the pots higher & lower and voila the CC worked again. Very frustrating to say the least.</span></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">C - 208.721.7003 <a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dana@solarwork.com">dana@solarwork.com</a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">NABCEP # 051112-136 <a href="http://www.solarwork.biz/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.solarwork.biz</a></div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">\uf050 Please consider the environment before printing this email.</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> On Behalf Of frenergy<br>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:53 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>Subject: [RE-wrenches] Low output</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">Off-gridders,</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText"> Small 24 volt off-grid install.....new installation, 3, 285 watt PVs in series, 4, L-16's in series, Midnight "Kid" CC. Problem: I cannot get more than about 200 watts (8-9 amps battery side) out of the Kid display in full noon sun, clean PVs. Should be 700 watts plus and about 28 amps. Bulk/Absorb set at 29V, battery voltage at ~25 V (pulled down with a heat gun). I changed that Kid out for another new one> Same issue! I disconnected the PV wires where they land in the Kid and got</div><div class="yiv8134390370MsoPlainText">9.3 amps short circuit, 105 volts oc Called Midnight tech support but we couldn't come up with a good solution. 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