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It's just not Idaho. I was just asked about NEC PV interpretation
for a large city on the East coast. Same problem. Narrowly (and
incorrectly) interpreting the grounding requirements. <br>
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It's probably nervous inspectors who feel their neck is on the line,
and are interpreting defensively thinking that is the safest thing
for them to do. We have taught a lot of Code officials and they
really feel exposed when it comes to PV. <br>
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The key to me is just taking time, if the Building Official has it,
to go over the NEC sections and their relevance. It has to be made
understandable and easy. These people are suppose to approve
everything from house wiring to appliances to pools, to anything
that requires a permit. It is just too much for almost everyone to
understand completely. Look at all the questions we have with 690
and 705 alone<br>
Chris.<br>
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link in the process here in Idaho, he is; by the book,
crossing t\u2019s & dotting I\u2019s and has a very strict &
narrow interpretation of the code. That said he is very
helpful and a nice guy. It\u2019s an Idaho thing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">6AWG is
the size that meets several tests for exposed installations.
By that I mean that it is not protected. If you are running
the array EGC exposed, you would use at least 6AWG depending
upon the size of the overcurrent protection device towards
the charge controller/array disconnect. 250.120(C) and
T250.122.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We have
run into the conductor covering rating problem too. #4 can
be color coded so you can use black conductor. A reasonable
inspector should allow this for 6 since a lot of the non
black coverings are not holding up as well to sunlight as
black. I think NEC2017 takes this into consideration and
allows you to color code because of the superior performance
of black coverings. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in">That makes two of us that would like to understand, why #6? I think it dates to early grounding with grid tie systems.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in">I remember back to 20+ years ago when the code required that the EGC was the size of the largest conductor which with 24 volt inverters was OOOO.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in"> Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I have had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the battery. I have had them require the same size as the array wiring. I have never seen them do what they are doing to you so thanks for the info.... Be well! --Dave<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in">The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in">Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in">Would #8 meet code? I thought that exposed ground wire had to be #6 <o:p></o:p></pre>
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