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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Reasonable inspector, here? You have no idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>The plans examiner is the first link in the process here in Idaho, he is; by the book, crossing t\u2019s & dotting I\u2019s and has a very strict & narrow interpretation of the code. That said he is very helpful and a nice guy. It\u2019s an Idaho thing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#002060'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>C - 208.721.7003 dana@solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>NABCEP # 051112-136 <a href="http://www.solarwork.biz"><span style='color:blue'>www.solarwork.biz</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" </span></u><u><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:navy'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>cwarfel<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 20, 2018 9:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I just got back from being out of the office for a week+ and just read a few of these. I hope this is not redundant.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>6AWG is the size that meets several tests for exposed installations. By that I mean that it is not protected. If you are running the array EGC exposed, you would use at least 6AWG depending upon the size of the overcurrent protection device towards the charge controller/array disconnect. 250.120(C) and T250.122.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>We have run into the conductor covering rating problem too. #4 can be color coded so you can use black conductor. A reasonable inspector should allow this for 6 since a lot of the non black coverings are not holding up as well to sunlight as black. I think NEC2017 takes this into consideration and allows you to color code because of the superior performance of black coverings. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 4/20/2018 9:00 AM, Dana wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>That makes two of us that would like to understand, why #6? I think it dates to early grounding with grid tie systems.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>I remember back to 20+ years ago when the code required that the EGC was the size of the largest conductor which with 24 volt inverters was OOOO.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>C - 208.721.7003 <a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com">dana@solarwork.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>NABCEP # 051112-136 <a href="http://www.solarwork.biz">www.solarwork.biz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>P</span> Please consider the environment before printing this email.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>From: RE-wrenches <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org></a> On Behalf Of Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:57 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>To: RE-wrenches <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> Dana, I understand the need to use #6 in exposed places on the earth. I have had inspectors require the same wire size that is used to the battery. I have had them require the same size as the array wiring. I have never seen them do what they are doing to you so thanks for the info.... Be well! --Dave<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>The bare #8 is an EGC for #10 USE PV wire on the tracker to the array <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>mounted combiner box.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>C - 208.721.7003 <a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com">dana@solarwork.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>NABCEP # 051112-136 <a href="http://www.solarwork.biz">www.solarwork.biz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>ļ Please consider the environment before printing this email.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>From: RE-wrenches <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org></a> On <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Behalf Of Hilton Dier<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:39 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>To: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Subject: [RE-wrenches] Looking for insulated #6 bare standoff<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Would #8 meet code? 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