<div dir="ltr">hi I have copied your text.<font color="#ff0000"> My comments are in red</font><div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Is there any consensus on what circuit is considered the "primary" and which is the "secondary" in this type of scenario? </span><font color="#ff0000">Yes, the energy supply side is the primary, so the solaredge side is the Primary</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> - NEC 690.9(D) speaks of "considering first one side of the transformer, then the other side of the transformer, as the primary". Is this relevant? </span><font color="#ff0000">Yes; you must protect from the grid side (the grid has all the real power) then the high-voltage side inverter side is protected by the inverter capacity. </font> i.e. Is it possible for both sides of the transformer to be labeled as a primary? <font color="#ff0000"> No, Your transformer was made with assumed primary and secondary, the energy flows from primary to secondary with a slight voltage drop, the turns ratio reflects this slight voltage change. Also, the low voltage side is wound next to the core and the higher voltage side is wound away from the core. </font> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">- I understand that 450.4(A) requires overcurrent protection on the "input conductors" (aka "primary conductors"?), correct? </span><font color="#ff0000">Yes, the grid side must be protected in the event of a fault. And the solar side must be protected or have conductors sufficient to carry the current as limited by input (grid) side OCPD. The solar side by OCPD or a power limited supply, the inverters, but the input from the grid must be protected.</font> Must we provide overcurrent protection on the "other" side in the above scenario? <font color="#ff0000">Yes, the solar side has to have protection from the grid.</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> - We were originally planning to land each inverter output on a 50A breaker inside a 200A main lug panel - must we also include a main breaker? </span><font color="#ff0000">No, not from the inverters, but if you are you are using this as the OCPD on the solar side of the transformer yes. I think the calculation is 125% transformer OCPD power or the power of the transformer is the maximum current. For example, 112 kVA / 480 x 125% =292 amps is possible, the conductors need to be 292 amp or you protect with OCP. If you protect then the conductors need to be 100 kW x125% /480/1.73= 150 amp minimum. </font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">- How do we size the grounding conductors on either side of the transformer? </span><font color="#ff0000">For standard distances, the equipment ground for the transformer is from 250.122 based on the grid side OCPD. For 100 kW x 1.25 /208/1.73 = 350 amps, is #3 cu or equiv.</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span><font color="#ff0000">For the solar side it is a separately derived system, The equipment ground from 250.122 is #6, However, if you use a corner grounded delta, (if SE will allow) you do not run a separate equipment ground. Being a separately derived system you need an GEC, which is sized from 250.66and it will go to a series of ground rods, with a #6 </font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> - Is the grounding conductor between MDP and transformer considered an EGC (250.122)? </span><font color="#ff0000">Yes, for the transformer on the grid side</font></div>
<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Corey Shalanski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:corey@joule-energy.com" target="_blank">corey@joule-energy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm seeking some guidance on how to treat transformers when included in a PV system.<div><br></div><div>Specific system details:<div>- (3x) SolarEdge 33.3 inverters combined in a 200A panel</div></div><div>- 480/208 transformer to be installed between 200A panel and main distribution panel (service is 208 wye)</div><div><br></div><div>My questions:</div><div><br></div><div>- Is there any consensus on what circuit is considered the "primary" and which is the "secondary" in this type of scenario?</div><div> - NEC 690.9(D) speaks of "considering first one side of the transformer, then the other side of the transformer, as the primary". Is this relevant? i.e. Is it possible for both sides of the transformer to be labeled as a primary?</div><div><br></div><div>- I understand that 450.4(A) requires overcurrent protection on the "input conductors" (aka "primary conductors"?), correct? Must we provide overcurrent protection on the "other" side in the above scenario?</div><div> - We were originally planning to land each inverter output on a 50A breaker inside a 200A main lug panel - must we also include a main breaker?</div><div><br></div><div>- How do we size the grounding conductors on either side of the transformer?</div><div> - Is the grounding conductor between MDP and transformer considered an EGC (250.122)?</div><div> - Is the inverter-side of the transformer considered a separately derived system, in which case the grounding conductor would be considered a GEC (250.102(C)(1))?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for any advice!</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Corey Shalanski</div><div>Joule Energy</div><div>New Orleans, LA</div></div>
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