<div dir="ltr">Jerry, can we see the egauge results?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:59 PM, Jerry Shafer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" target="_blank">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Wrenches<div dir="auto">We have been doing testing on the Blue Ion over the last several months, we have been using PV, back up grid connected charger, we have CT's on DC in, PV in, Charger in, and Load out, some days we push to three cycles a day, other days 1/2 cycle. The Blue Ion BMU has done well keeping everything in control including a relay for the charger. Eguage has done all the monitoring and has some impressive data. </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="auto">Jerry</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 20, 2018 6:02 AM, "Kirpal" <<a href="mailto:solarworks@gmail.com" target="_blank">solarworks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Larry....yes those are big claims (8000 cyclces at 100% DOD!) No I don't have the data showing that, nor have I seen it. But the marketing has to be accurate right?! We have installed a few systems with a few more on the books including one at our office. Will be interesting to see if the real world matches the lab tests....I don't have a copy of their warranty but it is for 15 years and does allow for some degradation of capacity, 70% remaining after 15 years. Pretty robust for a battery warranty! From what I have seen they are a strong off grid option. Could be one of the last battery banks some of our customers ever buy. The visibility into cycle count and remaining capacity is refreshing after using various amp hour meters which tend to wander in accuracy over time. I am looking forward to the migration away from Lead Acid in the years ahead! <div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Sunny Regards,<br>Kirpal Khalsa</div><div dir="ltr">Oregon LRT#25<br>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<br>Oregon Solarworks LLC<br><a href="http://www.oregonsolarworks.com" target="_blank">www.oregonsolarworks.com</a><br><a href="tel:(541)%20299-0402" value="+15412990402" target="_blank">541-299-0402</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com" target="_blank">larry@starlightsolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="2">Hi Kirpal,</font></span><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="2">\u201c...8000 cycles (20+ years of daily cycling!!) to 100 depth of discharge\u2026\u201d </font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="2">I saw that on their website but there is no substantiating data from real cycle life tests. </font></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="2">When Sony introduced this battery, they claimed 2000 cycles at 80% DoD. For such an extraordinary claim, there must be a catch. Do you have any information about testing or a copy of their warranty?</font></span><div><br></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><br><span>Larry Crutcher</span><span class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><span>Starlight Solar Power Systems</span><br><br></font></span></div><br class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753Apple-interchange-newline" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Feb 19, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Kirpal <<a href="mailto:solarworks@gmail.com" target="_blank">solarworks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Blue Planet - Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are a good option for off grid and work very well with the Outback Radian inverters. They are rated at 8000 cycles (20+ years of daily cycling!!) to 100 depth of discharge and can be monitored remotely. The batteries , like in the Sonnen system are made by Sony.</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">The company was just down in PR doing some installs and had some very good feedback from local installers. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">One more option for the tool bag. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Also, Outback just released a white paper on AC coupling using a solid state relay into the Radian. So they are now providing some guidance on this as of just recently. I still prefer DC coupling with grid tied mode when the grid does come back around. </div><br class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_929210165908830734m_12144739485559558m_7114897192110167753gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Sunny Regards,<br>Kirpal Khalsa</div><div dir="ltr">Oregon LRT#25<br>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<br>Oregon Solarworks LLC<br><a href="http://www.oregonsolarworks.com/" target="_blank">www.oregonsolarworks.com</a><br><a href="tel:(541)%20299-0402" value="+15412990402" target="_blank">541-299-0402</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Ray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Greetings Wrenches;<br>
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We are designing several systems for Puerto Rico, and while these will eventually could be grid tied once the grid returns, they will need to operate reliably in off grid mode possibly for a year or more. What is everyone's experiences with the Storedge and LG setup? I've worked with the regular Solaredge GT system and was quite impressed, but I've heard the Storedge is not a good off grid option. What are the issues, and has anyone used the Storedge in longer term outages?<br>
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Right now we are designing some smaller systems that will use Magnum inverters with 24v and 48 v Li+ batteries from other manufacturers, like Simpliphi and LiFe Blue. ( No GT, Backup only) These are lower cost and allow us to use more traditional off grid designs, but also have limited charge and discharge current. In order to make Li+ cost effective, we have had to reduce the storage size in half compared to lead acid. We feel this is justifiable considering Li+'s ability to be discharged to 100%, its voltage stability, and its higher efficiency.<br>
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All feed back is welcome, as we venture into less well charted territory. We just don't want to set up systems that are going to not be functional in 5 to 8 years because of inferior AGM lead acid batteries. We use HUP batteries for most larger off grid systems, but these are not feasible because of their size and maintenance requirements.<br>
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