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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Noted - Thank you for the input. It is much appreciated. </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Higgins<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Older iCel System Lithium Ion Batteries<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>That's probably what I would try also... but be really careful with Li, there may be an issue with the BMS already, doing this could cause thermal runaway... I would probably do so away from any structures, and I would be using an thermal camera to monitor for hot spots. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I've done this with Li Po RC Batteries and a 12volt regulated power supply... I don't know how they will react to direct array voltage. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Feb 10, 2018 12:38 AM, "Sindelar Solar" <<a href="mailto:Allan@sindelarsolar.com">Allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p style='margin-left:.5in'>Gary, you might try an old-fashioned approach: bypass the controller to send the array straight to the batteries until threshold voltage is reached. More specifically, bypass one of the controllers; assuming 48, 60 or 72 Vnom depending on array. Let the other controller remain in normal operation. Send the unregulated array to bring initial battery voltage up; then the other controller takes over and the one that was bypassed now is reconnected. Better if the unregulated array is the smaller of the two, I would suspect.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'>What I'm suggesting will work with flooded lead-acid, and likely VRLA lead-acid as well, as long as the unregulated array is taken out of the system before voltage exceeds bulk. It may not work at all with these Li-I, as I have no experience with restoring them. Daryl may well be right about being unrestorable below a threshold voltage; also the batteries may need an operational BMS to take a charge. So this is perhaps just food for thought.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'>Allan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a><br>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc<span class=m-7707355972620599214grame>.</span><br><b><a href="tel:(505)%20780-2738" target="_blank">505 780-2738</a> cell</b><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 2/9/2018 6:16 PM, Gary Rochlin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>Does anyone have any information or specifications for an older circa 2010-2012 iCel System Lithium Ion Battery. We are doing a repair on an older 48V Lithium Ion system consisting of 3-6 ICel batteries wired in parallel and 1 Xantrex 6848 and 2 Xantrex Conext MPPT 60 150 Solar Charge controllers. Via a surge from SCE system shut down and sat before we were called in. Batteries are sitting at 6.67V and the charge controller will not turn on unless the batteries are at 40V since at the time they were made for lead acid batteries. I\u2019m looking at finding the way to charge the iCel batteries or goose the charge controller into thinking 40V are coming from the batteries. I think I\u2019m making sense here. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>Blue Sky Energy </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#0070C0'><a href="mailto:mtnrider@verizon.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0070C0;text-decoration:none'>g.rochlin@</span></a><a href="http://blue-sky-energy.com" target="_blank">blue-sky-energy.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Change listserver email address & settings:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Check out or update participant bios:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>