<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">If its an old pump, you don\u2019t say then all sorts of bad things are possible as parts wear out, all that.<div class="">And it could also be your inverter which is probably getting pretty old as well. I\u2019m starting to see the old SW\u2019s fail and have all sorts of weird problems.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">my 2 cents.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jay<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:47 PM, jerrysgarage01 <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" class="">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Wrenches</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I think its in the inverter or battery but somewhere before it leaves the inverter flickering lights indicates the inverter is seeing the issue up close, a 4 k inverter is 33 amps AC but Over 166 from the 24 volt batteries if the load if half that with lights and inverter is strugling need to look at the battery voltage including cable drop. I have seen this quite a few times over the years.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Jerry</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; 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font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">To: RE-wrenches <</span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 1/2 HP well pump soft start at 120 VAC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Dana my 1/2 HP 240 volt pump draws about < 2 amps, which is maybe 3.3 amps if it is 120 volts. I wonder if the high volt drop is leaving your pump in locked rotor for a long time, in which case a soft start will not help. Perhaps a buck-boost transformer <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class="">(about 150 watts)</span> boosting 16% would get the pump started faster? Do the wire size and length for calculating volt drop. then use a 3.3 amp soft start. </div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:24 PM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com" target="_blank" class="">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Dana,<br class=""> We have been using Grundfos SQ-O 1/2 hp, 5 GPM (or they have a 10 GPM<br class="">model) soft start pumps for years, with great outcomes. We have sold 60<br class="">or so over the years with no returns.<br class=""><br class="">Daryl<br class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> Hey all you solar wise guys,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> I am looking for a recommendation based on your experience, not just data<br class="">> sheets for a 120 volt-9.8 amp-1/2HP well pump soft starter. Every time the<br class="">> well pump starts the SW4024 groans and the lights flicker.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> There are a lot of units that claim to soft start a ½ HP, but the reality<br class="">> is<br class="">> that they claim ½ HP but are limited to 3.3 amp+/- output. I asked how<br class="">> this<br class="">> is and was met with the usual, \u201cgee gosh I am not sure.\u201d I have one in<br class="">> hand<br class="">> now from ABB that is guilty of this claim.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Some units claim to meet the spec but then you must limit the wire length<br class="">> to<br class="">> 30 meters. The well is 150\u2019 from the house & 120 ft deep so a 270\u2019 wire<br class="">> run<br class="">> with what the well guy threw in 18 years ago. VFW cable [multi strand<br class="">> cable]<br class="">> is a partial answer but not down in the well.<br class="">><br class="">> Somewhere down the road the inverter & the well pump will get replaced but<br class="">> for now it is working. The newer 3PH wild AC drives are amazing on a<br class="">> Radian<br class="">> Inverter. You cannot even tell the well is pumping till it has been for a<br class="">> while and the fans kick on.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Suggestions & directions that have proven reliable for you?<br class="">><br class="">> Thanks.<br class="">><br class="">></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></body></html>