<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body><div><div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Mudge Fasteners.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">From: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">\u200e6/\u200e10/\u200e2017 13:52</span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">To: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:solarcowboy@yahoo.com">Jerry Caldwell</a>; <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Re: [RE-wrenches] Goofy roofing</span><br><br></div>These guys sell all sizes:<br><br>https://www.buyrailings.com/product/hanger-bolt-316-stainless-steel-m8-x-2-each-/5368?gdffi=a1d228a0145c40b2b64b7bf62559eafa&gdfms=A2FA3E88DA104CFB950485A2F169884A&keyword=&gclid=CNmksPTrs9QCFQpMDQod7S0LYA<br><br>Daryl<br><br><br>> Dear Wrenches,<br>> Can anyone direct me to a source for stainless hanger bolts without going<br>> through a solar distributor? I remember around 15 years ago a supplier<br>> up in the Seattle area, but now cannot find them. Any help is<br>> appreciated.<br>> Cheers,Jerry Caldwell<br>><br>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:43 AM, August Goers <august@luminalt.com><br>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> <!--#yiv0732425331 _filtered #yiv0732425331 {font-family:"Cambria<br>> Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0732425331<br>> {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered<br>> #yiv0732425331 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}<br>> _filtered #yiv0732425331 {font-family:Consolas;panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3<br>> 2 4;}#yiv0732425331 #yiv0732425331 p.yiv0732425331MsoNormal,<br>> #yiv0732425331 li.yiv0732425331MsoNormal, #yiv0732425331<br>> div.yiv0732425331MsoNormal<br>> {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New<br>> Roman", "serif";color:black;}#yiv0732425331 a:link, #yiv0732425331<br>> span.yiv0732425331MsoHyperlink<br>> {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0732425331 a:visited,<br>> #yiv0732425331 span.yiv0732425331MsoHyperlinkFollowed<br>> {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0732425331 p<br>> {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New<br>> Roman", "serif";color:black;}#yiv0732425331 pre<br>> {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier<br>> New";color:black;}#yiv0732425331 p.yiv0732425331MsoAcetate,<br>> #yiv0732425331 li.yiv0732425331MsoAcetate, #yiv0732425331<br>> div.yiv0732425331MsoAcetate<br>> {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",<br>> "sans-serif";color:black;}#yiv0732425331<br>> span.yiv0732425331HTMLPreformattedChar<br>> {font-family:Consolas;color:black;}#yiv0732425331<br>> span.yiv0732425331BalloonTextChar {font-family:"Tahoma",<br>> "sans-serif";color:black;}#yiv0732425331 span.yiv0732425331EmailStyle22<br>> {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;}#yiv0732425331<br>> span.yiv0732425331EmailStyle23 {font-family:"Calibri",<br>> "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;}#yiv0732425331 span.yiv0732425331EmailStyle24<br>> {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;}#yiv0732425331<br>> .yiv0732425331MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv0732425331<br>> {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv0732425331<br>> div.yiv0732425331WordSection1 {}-->Bill – So it sounds like you have<br>> a corrugated metal roof installed by a handyman over an existing comp<br>> shingle roof? It might be wise to get your building department<br>> planchecker or inspector involved at this point since it sounds like you<br>> have a potential code violation. Adding PV to an already shotty roof<br>> setup will just compound problems down the line. That said, if you<br>> can’t trust the purlins (or what I think you are referring to as 1” x<br>> 4” stringers) to be structural members, then I suppose you could<br>> install long hanger bolts all the way through the metal roof and into the<br>> rafters? You could use a double jam-nut setup to mount your racking.<br>> Just an idea, but it is not an ideal situation. Good luck out<br>> there! Best, August From: RE-wrenches<br>> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of frenergy<br>> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 7:47 AM<br>> To: RE-wrenches<br>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Goofy roofing Benn, August, etc <br>> Sorry for omitting a somewhat crucial detail....below these stringers it<br>> is a "standard" residential stacked roof with 2X6 rafters on 16" centers<br>> with 1/2 " plywood deck. No purlins. I appreciate the feedback/good<br>> ideas.BillFeather River Solar Electric On 4/29/2016 3:28 PM, August Goers<br>> wrote:<br>> Benn, We’ve done it several ways including putting four 14 x 1.5”<br>> TYPE 17 screws per attachment point through the metal and into the 1” x<br>> wood purlin. The key is that the load path all the way down needs to be<br>> capable of handling the worst case loads. So we had to check that too.<br>> Some racking manufactures such as Unirac have online calculators to give<br>> point loads. Best, August From: RE-wrenches<br>> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Benn<br>> Kilburn<br>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:17 PM<br>> To: RE-wrenches<br>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Goofy roofing August, et al;If the purlins are<br>> only 1"x4" or 1"x6" or....1"x anything, are you only relying on the 1"<br>> purlin as the attachment point or are you hitting the vertical trusses<br>> below the purlins? We are working on a corrugated roof right now and<br>> using a Schletter roof bracket. The name of it escapes me at the moment.<br>> Maybe FixT? We are attaching to purlins which are 2"x6". I wouldn't<br>> think 1"x anything would provide enough pull-out?Benn KilburnSkyFire<br>> Energy Inc. 780-906-7807 <br>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:09 AM, August Goers <august@luminalt.com> wrote:<br>> Hi Bill, It sounds like you’re talking about a purlin type setup –<br>> 4’ sounds a little far apart but I guess that’s what you have to deal<br>> with. If you have a corrugated metal roof, we’ve used S-5 CurruBrackets<br>> screwed through the metal and into the purlins and then either run the<br>> solar rail up and down the roof or install a sub-rack system (with strut<br>> or angle aluminum) perpendicular to your solar rail. Best, August<br>> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On<br>> Behalf Of frenergy<br>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 6:55 AM<br>> To: RE-wrenches<br>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Goofy roofing Recently, a customer had a metal<br>> roof (not standing seam) installed by a "handyman". Pretty clean<br>> installation however for some reason he ran 1X6 stringers across the<br>> roof on the 1/2" plywood deck spaced about every 4 feet (as you go from<br>> ridge to eaves). Of course the roofing screws are at the stringers. <br>> I'm sure he had a great reason for doing so. So now I have been asked to<br>> install an array on this roof. You can feel how "soft" the roof is as<br>> you walk on it of course because you are walking on air-below-metal for<br>> most of the roof. Stringer locations don't jive with possible feet/post<br>> locations for rail. I'm usually pretty good at problem solving but I'm<br>> accepting ideas.BillFeather River Solar Electric <br>> Bill Battagin, Owner4291 Nelson St.Taylorsville, CA 95983530.284.7849CA<br>> Lic 874049www.frenergy.net<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>><br>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> Change listserver email address & settings:<br>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> List-Archive:<br>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br>><br>> List rules & etiquette:<br>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br>><br>> Check out or update participant bios:<br>> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________List sponsored by Redwood<br>> Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change<br>> listserver email address &<br>> settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive:<br>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List<br>> rules & etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update<br>> participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org <br>><br>><br>><br>> -- Feather River Solar Electric Bill Battagin,<br>> Owner4291 Nelson St.Taylorsville, CA 95983530.284.7849CA Lic<br>> 874049www.frenergy.net_______________________________________________<br>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>><br>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> Change listserver email address & settings:<br>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> List-Archive:<br>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br>><br>> List rules & etiquette:<br>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br>><br>> Check out or update participant bios:<br>> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>><br>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> Change listserver email address & settings:<br>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> List-Archive:<br>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br>><br>> List rules & etiquette:<br>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br>><br>> Check out or update participant bios:<br>> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br>http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br><br>List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br>www.members.re-wrenches.org<br><br></body></html>