<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Hi Todd</div><div><br></div><div>Yes the XW, Radian, FXR versions and the RE version from magnum</div><div>Have generator support. </div><div><br></div><div>But that isn't what I was talking about in my last post. </div><div><br></div><div>Jay</div><div><br></div><div>Peltz power. </div><div><br>On Jan 15, 2016, at 2:37 PM, <a href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font face="arial" size="4"><p style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;">the old sw inverters had something called <em>"generator support</em>", where if the loads exceeded the generator's output, the inverter would forego charging and sync with, and assist the generator's output.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Thanks for your information. That generator mode sounds like an excellent feature. I guess it is time to give the Radian an opportunity. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">re: XW+ generator charging - interesting point as I was recently trying to get an XW+ 6048 to play happily with an under-sized Honda EU6500 generator and after hrs of tweaking was only able to make it successfully connect without overloading the generator when input amps were set to 2/3 of generators rated continual output. It would be nice to have a slower ramp up to 100% charge rate - something they should be able to do via updated firmware if anyone cared. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 14pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif;">RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style="color: purple;">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Kirk Herander<br><strong>Sent:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:39 PM<br><strong>To:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br><strong>Subject:</strong><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[RE-wrenches] battery-based inverter</span></p>
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