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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Ditto here too.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>98% of my clients use the HUP and its bomber I have a client that is over 20+ years at this point. With regular EQ as required by SG readings, Battery bar maintenance, watering, & testing they just keep going. I have a 14 year old set I pulled out of a clients house during an upgrade to a much larger system and they are doing exceedingly well in float mode in grid tie. I EQ once a year for grins but SG readings have not indicated it was required.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Sets I installed in Washington 21+ years ago are doing well from reports there too. If you look at the specs on 50%DOD & 80% DOD I have not seen any other manu with a comparable spec.</span> <span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.hupsolarone.com">www.hupsolarone.com</a> check it out.</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>I went to larger batteries 26 years ago & HUP when NWES made them available. Less cells to water, less connections to address issues with, less cables to crimp & protect from acid, & almost 0 battery bank change out once in to HUP. I have replaced a few large Rolls with HUPs & problems went away.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>The down side is handling. I now own a 3 ton - single axel trailer with an overhead I-beam that extends off the back with jacks on the rear to stabilize and a 1.5 ton set of chain falls to deliver & set. Once it hits the ground we use a safe mover (rated at 1985# each) to roll into place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>The cells do come out but jeez what a back ache.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>What will I install when I go off grid here in the next year? That’s still to be determined but its either going to be HUP or possibly Aquion……. Just not sure the price difference will be worth it. I know the HUP as an installer and a home owner and I have total faith in them as the best FLA battery currently available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#002060'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Dana Orzel <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Great Solar Works, Inc - NABCEP # 051112-136<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>E - dana@solarwork.com - Web - solarwork.com <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>O - 970.626.5253 C - 208.721.7003<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Drake,<br>Your request is missing specifics so my answer can only be generic. Get away from all L16s. Go to one string of industrial cells. There are numerous well-respected brands. I would put HUPs at about the top. <a href="http://www.hupsolarone.com">www.hupsolarone.com</a>. Spend some time on this website and it will become more clear.<br>Allan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com"><u>allan@sindelarsolar.com</u></a></span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.<br><b>505 780-2738 cell</b><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12/15/2015 9:07 AM, Drake wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hello Wrenches,<br><br>Even after my clients have learned to maintain their batteries properly, the Trojan L-16 batteries continue to crater, one cell at a time. One client is considering spending $12,000 on a nickel - iron battery bank he found on the web. This seems like a ridiculously large investment, but he is feeling desperate. We urgently need another option from the Trojan L-16s.<br><br>How are the Surrette L-16s holding up? Would you recommend them as worth the extra investment? <br><br>What is the best battery to use in an off grid system these days. <br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Drake <br><br>Drake Chamberlin<br><i>Athens Electric LLC<br>OH License 44810<br>CO License 3773<br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV <br>740-448-7328<br></i><a href="http://athens-electric.com/"><u>http://athens-electric.com/</u></a> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #AAABB6 1.0pt'><tr><td width=105 style='width:78.75pt;border:none;padding:11.25pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt'><a href="https://www.avast.com/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png"></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:15.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#41424E'>This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. <br><a href="https://www.avast.com/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></u></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><u>RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Change listserver email address & settings:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"><u>http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html"><u>http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"><u>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Check out or update participant bios:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"><u>www.members.re-wrenches.org</u></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>