<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Do,you have a web site for them?</div><div><br></div><div>And do you mean 220kwh?</div><div>Jay</div><div>Peltz power <br><br><br><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Mar 26, 2015, at 1:58 AM, Max Balchowsky <<a href="mailto:max@seesolar.com">max@seesolar.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9855" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10151">Does anyone have any experience with the PowerGrid battery system (by Clean Energy)? we are getting ready to install a 27kW array with a 22kWH Battery Bank and </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9855" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10389">4 Schneider/Xantrex XW 6848's.</span></div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9858"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9857"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9857"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9857"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10272">Max Balchowsky</span><br style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10208">Design Engineer</span><br style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10207">Golden Bridge Development</span><br style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10206">1048 Irvine Ave Suite 217</span><br style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10154">Newport Beach, Ca. 92660</span><br style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><span style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10155">760-403-6810</span></div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:tahoma, 'new york', times, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9970"><font size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_10618">"Building a Better Future For The Next Generation"</font><br></div></div><br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9973"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9972"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9971"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jeremy Rodriguez <<a href="mailto:allsolarjeremy@msn.com">allsolarjeremy@msn.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:07 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Charging Multiple Battery Banks<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9974"><br><div id="yiv6321955796"><div><div><span></span></div><div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9976"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9983">I'm sure he will use the SW until it dies. I would. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9975">Never thought of running AC from the 24v side to the dual outbacks to charge the 48 V BB. Would need a xfmr though right?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9982">I would install a separate Midnite CC for each battery bank. I know the classics output 12v at the aux, so what type of relay could be used? Does it need to be solid state ?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9981">I would feel better using some type of control, or as was mentioned, maybe talk him into just hooking everything up to the OB system at the house. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9977">The 24v side would be for occasional use only. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9984">Thanks for the input!</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1427358227487_9978"><br clear="none">Jeremy Rodriguez <div>All Solar, Inc. <div>1463 M<br clear="none"><div>Penrose Colorado 81240</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand!</div></div></div></div><div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6321955796yqt1855512858" id="yiv6321955796yqtfd93100"><br clear="none">On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:25 AM, "Ray Walters" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv6321955796yqt1855512858" id="yiv6321955796yqtfd16999"><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Hi Jeremy;<br clear="none">
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I usually would combine both buildings all into one system, KISS
principle, and also less cost. Later when those batteries die,
replace with a properly sized bank. I also wouldn't be building a
new system around an SW4024, those are getting really dated. Great
inverter, but they don't last forever. They have excellent resell
value on Ebay for folks that need replacements in dual and quad
systems.<br clear="none">
Having said that, Jerry's idea of 2 controllers on one array sounds
like it would work, but not with Blue Sky because of the grounding
as Larry mentioned.<br clear="none">
<pre class="yiv6321955796moz-signature">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="yiv6321955796moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/2015 10:36 AM, Larry wrote:<br clear="none">
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Keep in mind that the Midnite controller has a combined PV and
bat. negative and the Blue Sky requires isolated PV and bat.
negative.<br clear="none">
<pre class="yiv6321955796moz-signature">Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
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<div class="yiv6321955796moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/15 6:11 PM, Jeremy Rodriguez
wrote:<br clear="none">
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</blockquote></div><div><div>The thought was to charge the batteries for a new building
utilizing an SW4024 with new classic controller and new L A
batteries, and once those batteries are charged send the PV to
the house system which is the 48v setup with dual outback
inverters and dual SB3048 CCs. Lead acid batteries as well. 3
years old </div>
<div>I've never had this come up in 16 years!</div>
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Jeremy Rodriguez
<div>All Solar, Inc.
<div>1463 M<br clear="none">
<div>Penrose Colorado 81240</div>
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<div>Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and
shorthand!</div>
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On Mar 24, 2015, at 5:31 PM, "Ray Walters" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a>>
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What's the reasoning behind two different battery banks at
different voltages? What is the other equipment involved:
batteries type, age, inverters, etc.?<br clear="none">
<pre class="yiv6321955796moz-signature">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="yiv6321955796moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2015 5:07 PM, Jeremy
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<div dir="ltr">It would be 2kw of PV<br clear="none">
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All Solar<br clear="none">
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<div>How big of a system are you looking at as some
of the smaller charge controllers are auto sensing<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6321955796ecxgmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at
12:11 PM, Jeremy Rodriguez <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:allsolarjeremy@msn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:allsolarjeremy@msn.com">allsolarjeremy@msn.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Wrenches,<br clear="none">
I have a client that wants to charge a 24v
battery bank and a 48v bank with the same
array. Different charge controllers, with
some type of relay is what I was thinking,
and using the controller's aux. 12v output
for the relay control. <br clear="none">
The primary battery to be charged would be
the 24v bank, then once it is fully charged,
divert the pv to the secondary controller at
the 48v bank.<br clear="none">
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Any comments or recommendations on this
would be helpful.<span class="yiv6321955796ecxHOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
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Jeremy Rodriguez<br clear="none">
All Solar Inc. <br clear="none">
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