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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The 2nd problem with the Envoy besides
      cost is that it isn't always reliable. &nbsp;&nbsp; Communication through
      power lines is not a new or fresh idea, and has Always been
      problematic.&nbsp; Once you install something you are expected to make
      it work, and that can be a nightmare on say an 8 module system
      that keeps losing communication to one or two modules.&nbsp; I've had
      this exact case, and confirmed multiple times that each micro was
      working, but the Envoy had other ideas.<br>
      This rush to mega data acquisition makes sense for larger PPA
      systems, but can just add tons of call backs and the resulting
      financial losses and frustrations for small systems.<br>
      I've spent as much time messing with SCADA, as I have with the
      entire install itself; now that's ridiculous.&nbsp; This isn't new
      either:&nbsp; I had&nbsp; SCADA systems back in the 90s, that had great
      promise, but ultimately were extremely hard to implement, and the
      customer never used after anyway......<br>
      The question is: <br>
      What does the customer really need to operate the system vs.
      "bells and whistles".....<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 9/29/2014 12:12 PM, August Goers wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a">Hi
            Bill,</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a">One
            of the largest benefits of the microinverter system, in my
            opinion, is the ability to monitor each module individually.
            It might seem like ~$500 is a lot for the Envoy but I think
            it is well worth it when you think about the 25 year
            warranty period and included ongoing monitoring. We&#8217;ve had
            enough Enphase failures that I would personally really want
            to be able to keep my eye on each micro individually.</span></p>
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            Just a thought, August</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
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                RE-wrenches [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>frenergy<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 28, 2014 2:26 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Metering</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">CA wrenches,</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm trying to (for the sake of my
            monetarily impaired customers) figure out a less expensive
            way to meter/monitor small enphase systems.&nbsp; One of my local
            utilities will allow me to just use a remanufactured
            utility-grade meter (ala AEE) These meters are inexpensive,
            robust and accurate but only display total production.&nbsp; </p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Envoy retails for over $5
            bills.&nbsp; Most of my customers are not interested in checking
            their PV system on the internet, well not after a couple
            weeks.&nbsp; I can't seem to find any requirement from
            PG&amp;E&nbsp;other than in Section 5.1 of the guidebook: "&nbsp;All
            systems receiving an EPBB incentive must install a
            production meter accurate to +- 5% of actual system
            output...."&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; which is pretty vague.&nbsp; plus the is no CSI
            incentive&nbsp; anymore.</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anybody have a suggestion that is
            different from the remanu utility meter?....and possibly
            gives current wattage output,&nbsp;and is "approved" by PG&amp;E
            interconnection?</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">TIA</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Bill</p>
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