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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Its Mexico, so its 60 Hz, 3 phase 120/
      208.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I had originally considered the Radians for this project,
      until I went down and determined the actual voltage.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 3/26/2014 7:31 AM, Phil Undercuffler wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAPLQxE+fP02LJuC6v8-=VU4hroHEYsY-2e_Wqj2Syae8RZ4myw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">You mentioned this is out of the country -- is it 230v
      line to neutral, or 120/208? &nbsp;OutBack's export&nbsp;Radian can do three
      phase, up to 72kW continuous.&nbsp;
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      <div>HTH,<br>
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        <div>Phil<br>
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            On Tuesday, March 25, 2014, Ray Walters &lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
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              OK everyone is steering me towards the Sunny Island. &nbsp; I
              can probably justify the inverter cost difference to the
              customer, then I found the SMA Multicluster Box for the
              SI. &nbsp;It seems like a glorified AC Combiner and transfer
              switch box, but it retails for over $20K! Yikes.<br>
              Do we have to use that for a 3 phase install, or are there
              much lower cost alternatives. &nbsp;This is out of the country
              and does not need to be NEC2014 compliant. &nbsp;(maybe NEC
              1956 compliant would be about in keeping with the rest of
              the wiring.......) &nbsp;This would be a budget buster for
              sure.<br>
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              R.Ray Walters<br>
              CTO, Solarray, Inc<br>
              Nabcep Certified PV Installer,<br>
              Licensed Master Electrician<br>
              Solar Design Engineer<br>
              303 505-8760<br>
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              On 3/25/2014 4:21 PM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<br>
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                Hi Ray,<br>
                <br>
                I have several 3-phase off-grid
                inverter/battery/generator systems out there.<br>
                <br>
                - SMA Sunny Island is the best. Can scale to at least
                180 kW, maybe more. Reliable &amp; very solid. I have
                several sites going over 2 years without a single second
                of power outage.<br>
                - Xantrex XW. It can work in a 3-ph config, but it's not
                as stable system. We have taken to preventatively
                rebooting the systems every 4 months and that helps a
                lot - at least the outage can be planned and on our
                terms.<br>
                - Outback has had so many power quality nightmares I
                won't go there anymore.<br>
                - I believe Magnum has a 3-ph option but haven't
                installed one yet.<br>
                <br>
                SMA inverters are more expensive. And they work very
                well. They also have a very good battery charging
                algorithm and integral gen start control.<br>
                <br>
                Kevin<br>
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                Behalf Of Ray<br>
                Walters<br>
                Sent: March 24, 2014 6:44 PM<br>
                To: RE-wrenches<br>
                Subject: [RE-wrenches] 208 3 phase Off Grid Inverter<br>
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                Hi All;<br>
                <br>
                I'm exploring options for an off grid project with an
                existing 30 Kw<br>
                Kohler wired for 208 vac 3 phase. &nbsp;The generator runs
                some 8 hp air<br>
                compressors, so rewiring it is not an option. &nbsp;We're
                primarily<br>
                interested in reducing gen run time from the current
                situation: 14 hrs/ day.<br>
                So far, only the Outback VFX inverters seem capable of
                being wired in<br>
                208, 3 phase, but according to the manual they can only
                be stacked 1<br>
                inverter per leg. This limits the system to only 3
                inverters total, or<br>
                10.8 kW. &nbsp;I would like expandability beyond this.<br>
                1) are there any other inverters available that I'm over
                looking?<br>
                2) Should I consider a transformer to convert from 208
                vac/3phase to 240<br>
                vac/ singe phase?<br>
                <br>
                We're not going to even try to run the compressors, just
                the other<br>
                single phase loads, mostly 120 vac, but we have a couple
                of small air<br>
                conditioners, that are currently running on 208 single
                phase. &nbsp;I believe<br>
                they would run fine on 240 vac, as they have a name
                plate rating at 230 vac.<br>
                3) We may possibly run 2 separate 3 inverter stacks and
                only tie<br>
                together at the battery, but otherwise they would not be
                connected. This<br>
                seems inefficient, and would require some load balancing
                of the various<br>
                inverters.<br>
                <br>
                All help and discussion is greatly appreciated as
                always,<br>
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