<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>You can buy a 24 volt DC MIG welder from ReadyWelder.</div><div>David Katz<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 23, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "Allan Sindelar" &lt;<a href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  

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      Sure you can solar weld! Afterall, some of us have welded from
      battery power when we preferred NOT to.
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      <div>&nbsp;&nbsp; :0) &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;&lt; &nbsp;that's the HONK of a Solar Bozo
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      <div>But seriously, Back in the 1930's to 50's when thousands of
        farms and ranches had wind power, 32V was the standard voltage
        for the 2-3kW systems. Among the many tools and appliances
        available, it was common to have a 32V welder. I used one of
        them back in the 70's. I was nothing but a box with a coil in
        it. The coil wasn't for inductance, just for resistance. It was
        steel wire maybe 1/8" thick with taps to give a choice of
        current. For max. current, the coil would be completely out of
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      <div>The guys I shared the shop with abandoned their buzz box 'cuz
        the DC was so smooth.</div>
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      <div>Towers are still standing on welds I did in the late 70's
        using 6011 and 7013 rod (if I remember right).</div>
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      <div>I had a cell failure early on, and my system was 30, not 32V.
        Worked fine for years.&nbsp;</div>
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      <div>I'm quite sure 24V would work, at least for smallest rods. It
        certainly works for MIG welding. Century made a 24V "Portable
        MIG" to use on 24V diesel vehicles and farm machines for field
        repairs. They were made in 70's and 80's. Nice, 'cuz they are
        light-weight / no transformer. I used one on my PV system until
        I moved recently. I had 3-4V of line loss and it still worked
        fine with .030 wire. Again, it has steel coils with taps for
        control.</div>
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      <div>If you want MIG, search for a Century Portable MIG.
        Otherwise, get the smallest sticks and try 24V. I think I tried
        it, or heard that it's not quite enough V. 36V is MORE than you
        need. If you do 36, use undersized cable because you'll need
        resistance anyway!</div>
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      <div>Searching \u2026 24V MIG is in remote storage with hen's teeth and
        unobtainium.&nbsp;</div>
      <div>but discussion at</div>
      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://forum.ih8mud.com/tools-fabrication/416445-snap-24v-portable-mig.html">http://forum.ih8mud.com/tools-fabrication/416445-snap-24v-portable-mig.html</a></div>
      <div>confirmed that you can do stick with 24V.</div>
      <div>AND somebody suggested this:</div>
      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://store.cyberweld.com/twsgspgun10.html">http://store.cyberweld.com/twsgspgun10.html</a></div>
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      <div>The spool gun looks like the modern way to solve the problem
        for professional use. Reviews there say it doesn't have speed
        control on the gun. So you need a resistance coil with taps, and
        you need a speed control.</div>
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      <div>I hope this helps!</div>
      <div>Windy</div>
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