<font face="arial" size="3"><p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i remember hearing there was one brand which had a tiny hydro generator, operated by the flowing water, which was used to light the burner... yet, no one mentioned them?</p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 5:48am, "Bill Loesch" <solar1online@charter.net> said:<br /><br /></p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">> <br />> Hi Dick,<br />> <br />> Following the Carter era oil embargo energy awareness, pilot lights were<br />> reduced from ~700 BTU/h to ~ half. In a tank, that heat is put to<br />> amazingly efficient use; not so with a tankless.<br />> <br />> In places where they take energy usage seriously, the pilot light is lit<br />> only when the tankless is going to be used. A piezo igniter is standard<br />> on the standing pilot natural draft heater identified earlier.<br />> <br />> For all those folks with a tank, using it as a batch heater with the<br />> circuit breaker or pilot gas selector also eliminates the majority of<br />> standby loss. My pet peeve is folks who unwittingly heat the water well<br />> past the using temp and temper it with cold at the faucet.<br />> <br />> Glad you are pleased with your tankless operation,<br />> <br />> Bill Loesch<br />> Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar<br />> 314 631 1094<br />> <br />> On 30-Sep-13 7:29 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote:<br />> > As concerns standby loss, I can't speak to the others, but the Rinnai has a<br />> > simple on/off button on the front of the unit. A remote controller is<br />> available<br />> > which also provides the switch. It does take afew seconds for the unit to<br />> boot<br />> > up. Up to three remotes may be installed, making the on /off operation and<br />> > temperature adjustment fairly convenient.<br />> ><br />> > Been using a Rinnai here, on grid for 10 years or so. It works. We like it.<br />> ><br />> > I understand a pilot uses a significant amount of gas over the course of a<br />> year.<br />> > Just sayin'.<br />> ><br />> > Dick Ratico<br />> > Solarwind Electric<br />> ><br />> > --- You wrote:<br />> > If its a Rinai, I measured one once that was 30 watts AC standby, and<br />> > jumped a bit higher when firing. It also needed pure sine.<br />> > The customer swapped it for a regular hot water tank.<br />> > Some Bosches and old Palomas, etc. had either a piezo ignition or pilot,<br />> > but took no power.<br />> > I'm working on a system with one now that needs 12vdc at about 5 watts.<br />> ><br />> > R.Ray Walters<br />> > CTO, Solarray, Inc<br />> > Nabcep Certified PV Installer,<br />> > Licensed Master Electrician<br />> > Solar Design Engineer<br />> > 303 505-8760<br />> > --- end of quote ---<br />> > _______________________________________________<br />> > List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br />> ><br />> > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br />> ><br />> > Change email address & settings:<br />> > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br />> ><br />> > List-Archive:<br />> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br />> ><br />> > List rules & etiquette:<br />> > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br />> ><br />> > Check out participant bios:<br />> > www.members.re-wrenches.org<br />> ><br />> ><br />> ><br />> > -----<br />> > No virus found in this message.<br />> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br />> > Version: 2014.0.4142 / Virus Database: 3604/6707 - Release Date: 09/28/13<br />> ><br />> ><br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> -----<br />> No virus found in this message.<br />> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br />> Version: 2014.0.4142 / Virus Database: 3604/6707 - Release Date: 09/28/13<br />> <br />> _______________________________________________<br />> List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br />> <br />> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br />> <br />> Change email address & settings:<br />> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br />> <br />> List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br />> <br />> List rules & etiquette:<br />> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br />> <br />> Check out participant bios:<br />> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br />> <br />></p>
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