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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's almost $2000/ kwh, which is
      close to 10 times the cost of the best lead acid.&nbsp; That doesn't
      seem to make sense for solar yet, but it would for electric
      vehicles because of the weight reduction. Possibly their price has
      dropped in 2 years? &nbsp; I'm seeing some other sources in the EV
      world selling 100 AH Li+ cells for about $450/ kwh, which is more
      like it.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      On 9/22/2013 10:14 PM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<br>
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      <div><span class="873031004-23092013"><font face="Arial" size="2"
            color="#0000ff">I did get a quote from Corvus for one
            project back in Feb 2011. Client hasn't given go ahead
            yet.&nbsp;12.4 kWh, ie 2 of their 8D format cells was going to
            set me back $24,000 CAD. The contract for purchase document
            is only slightly less complex than purchasing a home..... 14
            pages worth of. </font></span></div>
      <div><span class="873031004-23092013"></span>&nbsp;</div>
      <div><span class="873031004-23092013"><font face="Arial" size="2"
            color="#0000ff">Kevin</font></span></div>
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        <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font
            face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
            <b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<b>On
              Behalf Of </b>Ray Walters<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> September 19, 2013 9:51 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Li-I question<br>
            <br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Looks interesting,&nbsp; I've been
          waiting for Li+ to start making sense on larger scales.&nbsp; <br>
          The cycle life does not appear to be better than a HUP lead
          acid battery, despite the claims of "10 times the cycle life
          of an AGM battery"&nbsp; I'm confused because in their white paper
          they also claim: 200 cycles at 100% DOD &lt; 2000 cycles at
          80% DOD &gt; 3000 cycles at 80% DOD.&nbsp; <br>
          What does that mean?<br>
          Also the warranty has 3 yr free replacement, 10 yr prorated,
          but doesn't cover shipping or installation, and also demands
          an engineering evaluation of the installation to allow the
          warranty.&nbsp; Despite their claims of being the most
          comprehensive warranty in the business; it is not.<br>
          My entire power tool collection as well as my computer and
          phone run on Li+, so I'm a believer, but I've also been
          vetting BS claims in our industry for over 2 decades.&nbsp; Corvus
          needs to put more time into some BCI cycle life charts, and
          provide a warranty that covers shipping and installation time
          like others.&nbsp; Some case studies, and independent testing would
          help as well.<br>
          Anybody have any ball park pricing on this?<br>
          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
          On 9/19/2013 9:58 PM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<br>
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                class="250195403-20092013">These folks are real I've met
                with and touched the product. I've been working on a
                possible use of these but client hasn't said go yet so
                can't quite yet vouch for the product. <a
                  href="http://www.corvus-energy.com/"
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          <div><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span
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          <div><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span
                class="250195403-20092013">Kevin</span></font></div>
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            <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font
                face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
                <b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> September 16, 2013 12:58 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Li-I question<br>
                <br>
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            Wrenches,<br>
            In order to provide accurate information about lithium-ion
            batteries, I'm looking for referrals to current suppliers
            with available product, with specifications and retail
            pricing available. Having read Randy Richmond's article on
            Li-I in HP153 earlier this year and Dan Fink's posts here, I
            understand the advantages and limitations. I am just looking
            for actual supplier websites and contacts, please.<br>
            Thank you,<br>
            Allan<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan <span class="SpellE">Sindelar</span></b><br>
                  <span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                      href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><u><span style="COLOR:
                          #000099">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></u></a></span><br>
                  <span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">NABCEP Certified PV
                    Installation Professional <br>
                    NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
                    New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                    Founder and Chief Technology Officer<br>
                    <b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b>, a Certified B <span
                      class="SpellE">Corporation<sup><span
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">TM</span></sup></span><br>
                    3209 Richards Lane<br>
                    Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
                    <b>505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell</b><br>
                    <a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><u>www.positiveenergysolar.com</u></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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