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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just let him know what to expect, and
      he will respect that latter when it turns out to be true.&nbsp; <br>
      Does he need sealed batteries?&nbsp; I'd start talking up an industrial
      grade battery for latter.&nbsp; After all this, he'll be ready for a
      battery that's going to stay put for awhile.<br>
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CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
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      On 8/3/2013 7:46 PM, Mac Lewis wrote:<br>
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        <div>Yes, this is an off-grid applications. &nbsp;I think you are
          right, the battery guy sold him what he had. &nbsp;Pretty pricey
          battery lesson twice!</div>
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          On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Ray Walters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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              target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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              <div>Mac;<br>
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                Is this off grid? &nbsp; The Intimidator is not a high cycle
                life battery.&nbsp; I've had trouble finding exact ratings,
                but its probably in the 250 to 300 cycles at 80% DOD.&nbsp;
                I'd expect 3 years max in an off grid application.&nbsp; Also
                the Intimidators&nbsp; I've seen are actually AGM, not Gel,
                but I don't know.&nbsp; I looked on Deka's website but didn't
                find any good charge set points.&nbsp; This is basically a
                sealed RV/ Marine battery.&nbsp; Definitely not a top choice,
                but its what the battery guys have on the shelf, so
                that's what they sell.<br>
                You're on to the biggest problem, pulling off opposite
                corners of the bank to balance the connector resistance
                between all the strings.&nbsp; <br>
                I go out of my way not to poo poo the customer's choice,
                but to make sure and let them know you can't guarantee
                the performance of the system. &nbsp; I had almost the exact
                experience just a few months ago, where the customer had
                just bought a new set of Intimidators.&nbsp; I just told him
                to use them up, no sense in worrying about it, and when
                they were worn out, we'd get him something better.&nbsp; I
                used AGM setting on the Midnite controller on that
                system. Voltage set points should be his responsibility
                to track down, if their gel.&nbsp; It keeps you from being
                responsible for anything to do with the battery
                performance or life.&nbsp; When he needs a new set, you sell
                him the right stuff, set it up right, and low and behold
                you'll look good when they outlast his previous sets.<br>
                <pre cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:303%20505-8760" value="+13035058760" target="_blank">303 505-8760</a></pre>
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                  <div class="h5"> On 8/3/2013 5:31 PM, Mac Lewis wrote:<br>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hello

                        wrenches,</span>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I
                        am looking for guidance with charging setpoints
                        for a battery that I don't have experience with.
                        &nbsp;This system was put in by another solar company
                        and this battery bank failed after 1.5 years.
                        &nbsp;He bought these batteries without consulting
                        us, but now we are stuck with them.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">It
                        is a Deka Intimidator Gel Sealed Battery 12V 225
                        Ahr. &nbsp;It is set up as 3 strings of 4 batteries
                        to give a 675Ahr bank at 48V. &nbsp;The batteries
                        were not wired at opposite corners, but
                        inverter/charger leads were connected to the
                        middle string. &nbsp;We will fix that and other
                        things but I don't use Deka batteries.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What

                        charger setpoints would you recommend for this
                        battery bank? &nbsp;Does anyone have a good tech
                        contact at Deka? &nbsp;Anyone have any results to
                        report about this type of battery in a solar
                        application?</div>
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