Your bullet-proof rafter finder is an IR camera. It seems to always work, its just very expensive. Try it out if you get a chance.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Solar Energy Solutions <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com" target="_blank">solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div><span>What the industry needs and I would do anything to find is some kind of a <span><span>bullet</span></span> proof rooftop rafter finder. Imagine the time saved and pilot holes gone the way of the Doe Doe. </span></div>
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</div> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Mark Dickson <Mark@OasisMontana.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'RE-wrenches' <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:37 AM<div class="im"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template<br> </div></font> </div>
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<div><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="color:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Sounds like you already have the
equipment. But perhaps next time consider <span>DPW</span>s Easy Feet. They are
made to tech-screw right into the decking without having to hit the truss.
Come <span>pre</span>-made with <span>EPDM</span>. Just snap a line, set and screw. Obviously you will
need to do some math to make sure your decking material is substantial as well
as anchored well to the blue board. I have not used them yet, but will be putting
up 20kW next month and will report back. That being said, anybody else have
experience to report with them?</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="navy" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:navy;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:10pt">Mark Dickson</span></font><font color="navy" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:navy;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:10pt">,</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"></span></font></div>
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<div><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt">
<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jesse <span>Dahl</span><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012
1:33 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
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RE-wrenches ] Pilot Hole Template</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks Chris,</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I did the same as far as verifying layout of the beams, they are all
the same center to center, so that helps when snapping lines on the roof, we've
been using the <span>quickmount</span> jig for a few hours and haven't missed yet, so I
think we got it. </span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks all!</span></font></div>
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On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Chris" <<a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">chris@solarwindworks.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Hi Jesse,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">We just finished a
similar roof mount project but had the good fortune to be going into 6x14 beams
at 48 o.c. . I put the on center dimension in quotes
loosely, and spent a couple hours prior to drilling the first hole checking
layout of the beams, directly under where wed be drilling. The ceiling
rafters varied in layout an inch to 8 so this paid off!!!</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">We used a 12
x 3/16 pilot bit, for our 8 Simpson <span>SDS</span> <span>galv</span> lags. I eyeballed
the angle into the beam, approx 10, as we had 4 bolts in each 1.5 pipe
flange base to land into the beams. The trick is having the 8 lag bolt
follow the hole into the 2x6 pine decking and beam. This <span>wasn</span>t as hard
to do as we first thought it would be, and <span>didn</span>t miss a one.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Hitting a 3x10 is
going to be trickier, and your jig should help immensely. </span></font></div>
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<div><font color="navy" face="Calibri"><span style="color:navy;font-family:Calibri;font-size:10pt">Sincerely,<br>
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Chris Worcester</span></font></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jesse <span>Dahl</span><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012
7:54 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
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RE-wrenches ] Pilot Hole Template</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Since this job was a spec job and the materials are already here, I
need to use the quick mount, so. I took a quick mount, inserted a
1/2" EMT coupling (after some filing) and stuck a 8" piece of
1/2" EMT in the coupling Nd tightened it down. Checked it with my square
to ensure it is coming out of the flashing square to the world. I haven't
drilled a hole yet, but will update. </span></font></div>
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On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Jason <span>Szumlanski</span> <<a href="mailto:jason@fafcosolar.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jason@fafcosolar.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">We just completed a job with Eco-65's. It took about 12 man-days to
install 200 of the base plates and L-Feet on a flat roof with wood blocks on a
metal deck with about 3" total from the rolled roof surface to the metal
deck. We custom-cut patches to go over the metal flashing supplied with the
base plate.</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">The materials are not cheap, but the installation was quite smooth and
did not require getting into the drop-ceiling or displacing office workers below.
We used 6" <span>OMG</span> extra heavy duty fasteners (part no.<span>XHD</span>006B).</span></font></div>
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<span>Szumlanski</span></span></font></b></b><i><i><font color="gray" face="Verdana"><span style="color:gray;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10pt"></span></font></i></i></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Will White <<a href="mailto:William.White@realgoods.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">William.White@realgoods.com</a>>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Have you
looked at <span>EcoFastens</span> Eco-65 plate? We used them on a roof similar to what
you<span>ve</span> got and went right into the 2x6 so we <span>didn</span>t have to go into
the structural members. They<span>ve</span> got a flashing that will work with
asphalt roofs.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Just
make sure you get the right length fasteners so it <span>doesn</span>t go through the
finished ceiling inside.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Thanks,</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Will</span></font></div>
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Pilot Hole Template</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hello,</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">The roof I'm
currently working on is not a typical roof. The construction is as
follows:</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">2"x6"tongueand
groove exposed inside, with 4 inches of foam (blue board) and on top of that
3/4" plywood with asphaltshingleson top of that.</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I'd like to make a
template to ensure that mypilotbitdoesn'twander when
I'm going through the blue board. If I miss the beams inside, the hole or
the lag would be exposed. </span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Anybody run across
this? Ideas? I thought of maybe using a <span>qucikmount</span> flashing, with a short
section of EMT attached to help guide the bit....</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks!</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Jesse</span></font></div>
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