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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">William</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Attached is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> a Power Point slide</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> I made</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> t</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">hat</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> show</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> the 'energy payback'</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> from PV.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">The Swiss</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><I> <FONT FACE="Calibri">based</FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><I> <FONT FACE="Calibri">IEA Photovoltaic Power Systems Programme</FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> takes</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">a very</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> serious look at the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">PV industry and its</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> long term</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> effects on the planet</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">PV is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> already pretty</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">benign</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">While I don't know the logic</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">behind</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> their calculations my first thought is that with the volume of aluminum being extracted and produced for all industry world</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">-wide, the impact by the PV industry is probably</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">next to nothing</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">And using a plastic compound would mean using a crude oil based product</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> which is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">even a bigger</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">environmental blight th</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">n aluminum production</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">-</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">imo</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Besides,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> with</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> the PV industr</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ie</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">s rush to</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">lower prices someone would have discovered a cheaper non-metallic repl</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">acement for aluminum</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">if</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> it</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">i</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">s out there.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Having worked for</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> many</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> years</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">in</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">composite/</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">plastics industry I can say that the production of a substitute fiber</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> re-e</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nforced</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">compression molded</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">composite</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">for PV frames would be more costly than aluminum and most likely</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">still</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">never match the rig</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">id</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ity</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">of aluminum.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Now if the PV industry trended back to smaller modules a 'plastic' frame could become workable</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> but I don't see that moving out of R&D as long as prices</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> and margins</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> are so low. And I don't see a corrosion resistant module becoming a niche market any time soon</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> unless another "Silicon Energy" type entrepreneur decides there is a market.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Jim Duncan</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [<A HREF="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>] On Behalf Of William Miller<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:13 PM<BR>
To: RE-wrenches<BR>
Cc: 'RE-wrenches'<BR>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Installations in High Salt Spray Environments</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Marco:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Are we in need of a new generation of PV modules with plastic frames? How about frame-less modules on recycled plastic racking? What is the energy cost for aluminum frame modules versus plastic or recycled plastic? What is the energy cost of anodizing aluminum frames and racking?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">There is a need here folks, that is not being filled. Entrepreneurs, where are you?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">William Miller</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">At 06:51 PM 3/14/2012, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>Living here in the middle of the big Blue Pacific Ocean where one is </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>never all that far from the ocean, I really question how well any metal </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>is going to hold up over time, no matter what the warranty says.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>Even stainless rusts in these here parts.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>Installer beware and for sure donâ\u20ac\u2122t put yourselves at risk by </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>providing anything more than the modcoâ\u20ac\u2122s factory warranty.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>marco</FONT></SPAN></P>
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